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Plus, people who don't take ozempic might be putting extra strain on the healthcare system. Therefore, if you don't take it, hospitals should refuse to treat you.

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Mar 16, 2023·edited Mar 16, 2023

To mandate something there must be a demonstrated benefit with the highest quality data.

What bothers me the most is the flippancy about mandating something. Forcing someone to take a medicine in spite of their conscience and in spite of lack of substantial benefit, through faceless bureaucratic policy is clearly a form of violence against the individual.

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The real difference between a vaccine and an obesity drug is that the ENTIRE society has been conditioned to accept numerous VACCINE mandates over the last 100 years. So the resistance to one more vaccine mandate from the students (and their parents etc.) is minimal. The real fix to this issue is to challenge the notion that the mRNA drug (or therapy) is a vaccine. Sue the FDA and CDC until the courts order them to stop calling it a vaccine. Because if it does not prevent infection and transmission, it is not a vaccine.

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If a college mandated ozempic, students there would embrace it, and the New York Times would question why other colleges are not mandating it — do they not care about their students’ health?

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Without reading and in todays world OF COURSE THEY CAN. And people wonder why trust in healthcare and government is so poor. Pretty soon - Soylent Green! I’ll read the article after my sugar coma from my morning donuts

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Vinay is setting his sights too low. Ozempic should be approved for infants over 6 months old. There are some chunky babies out there! Following that, it could be mandated for all students from K through college. The obesity epidemic could be stopped in its tracks. I'm sure the CDC and Big Pharma would be all in.

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Mar 16, 2023·edited Mar 16, 2023

I fear you're giving them ideas...

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Love it VP, comin' in HOT 🔥

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And isn't obesity in general a strain on the healthcare system due to people needing so many services? Why not mandate people lose weight? Completely ban smoking and drinking? Fights, car accidents, domestic violence, etc. often have alcohol as a strong factor. (I know it's ridiculous, but it's an interesting analogy)

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I always would argue these points with “Covidians” clamoring for hospitals to refuse to treat the unvaccinated. Why not enforce a certain BMI? 🤣 SO MUCH less strain on hospitals!!

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Another argument that was used to defend lockdowns and mandates for COVID was that healthcare systems would be overwhelmed (not to mention the grossly overestimated number of deaths predicted by Ferguson, a repeat offender, but that is another topic). Obesity is a pandemic that has been going on for decades and is still progressing with no end in sight, with tens of millions (worldwide) of deaths annually and hundreds of billions of dollars in healthcare costs: it is with old age by far the main risk factor for hospitalization/ICU and death. Yet nobody is advocating locking down overweight people or mandating diet/exercise, at least for now, although the way the world is sinking into delirium, nothing surprises me anymore.

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"by far the main risk factor for hospitalization/ICU and death" for COVID

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These university policies are a form of self-ridicule.

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these minds of mush should be given copies of Turtles All The Way Down & the state mandate that colleges do not have the authority to make medical decisions.

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VP you are savage, and I love you for it. American universities en masse acted contrary to their supposed goal of being beacons of intellectual thought...being pursuant to objective truth. Instead, they pitched kindergarten-level fits based on ultimately the misanthropic philosophy that "we know what's best for you". They let egotistical public health officials influence them via peer pressure to do the exact opposite of what was best for students: shutter them indoors, subject them to incessant testing, separate them from peers, and manipulate them to get vaccinated. Looks like they'll get off scot-free without a shred of accountability.

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Touchè once again VP. Brilliant.

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2 points.

1. As much as universities are the ones who erroneously implement mandates, they are often following the “experts” recommendations , not simply creating silly rules in a vacuum. At my hospital, if the infection committee says we wear masks, non clinical administrators will defer to these wizards.

2. Many are questioning any mandate as requiring high quality data. Certainly smoking bans, seat belt requirements, age limits did not result from RCT, but common sense and observational data. If anything, mask mandates constitute an imposed ban on me not wearing a mask, although it is not based on neither common sense nor data.

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This is a slippery slope because there is no end. Moderna. Ozempic. Mandatory Antabuse. Chemical castration. Detection devices in pill bottles to make sure the patient is compliant. Cigarettes on the black market. Close all fast food restaurants. BMI check points at grocery checkouts. Where do you draw the line at personal choice restraints?

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