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Dr. Molly Rutherford's avatar

Democrat ideas are failing in more realms than Covid. Their ideas are not progressive. What we are seeing now in blue cities and states is the opposite of progress. I’m not an academic but said the same from day one…that Covid policies would harm and kill more people than Covid. Anyone with common sense knew that this was not about a virus the day the experts declared rioting safe from Covid spread. My husband was called to work riots, while my kids remained at home, not learning.

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Lydia's avatar

Same here. First responder family. I quit my medic job a year into the pandemic to be home with my three sons. My husband was in one continual exposure at his Bay Area fire department. All the money that got spent giving pocket change to the zoom class could have seen doctors placed at nursing homes to treat mild covid patients with high flow oxygen and IV fluids, extra nursing staff (the only thing statistically proven to improve outcomes in "sepsis") Hospitals didn't need to be overwhelmed. Older folks didn't need to die at such rates and the whole things is an example of how poorly the hive mind does when infected by a contagion of fear. Creative problem solving is what we needed by small groups and individuals and the freedom and resources to execute those plans. I call distance learning "fortnight school" 😂 Then id go to work and pick up suicidal teachers on the other side of the screen. This whole thing stinks. I voted for Bernie. Now I feel like Liberals/progressives/democrats are the opposite, the party of fear and control, misguided cowards harming the very people they claim to protect. Essential workers have my utmost respect. The alcoholism, suicidality, damage to families, drug abuse, domestic violence, are unpredictable and hugely negative forces we have set upon our children. Hopefully the natural resilience of the human spirit can course correct as long as we get back to normal and stop this fear mongering. Thank you Vinay!

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Dr. Molly Rutherford's avatar

Within 1-2 months, we started seeing increase in homicides, suicides, overdoses (husband is Louisville homicide detective & I'm an addiction specialist who treats addiction in primary care setting). In December 2020, my 34 yo cousin died of overdose while waiting for a "bed" in a professional rehab...waiting for a negative covid test. God got me through it (not my closed church, not my brainwashed friends) but I'm still working through some anger.

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Liz Williams's avatar

I don’t live in the US, but the situation was similar in Canada. Most people here will not agree with me. I have friends who are retired teachers. I had one friend who wouldn’t speak to me for several months because my view of the rights of people in the pandemic were not hers.

My 13 year old granddaughter has continuing mental health issues, mostly caused by not being able to go to school; not being able to see her friends - because the school was closed. Children were “used” to protect adults from getting covid. Surely it should have been the adults protecting children.

Once Covid came along it got 100 percent of consideration. Mental health got zero. You try to explain this to adults. They mostly think that is right. “I could die from covid” therefore whatever anyone else does is of no consideration if it puts ME at risk. It’s tough shit for the mental health of anyone else.

One of my friends had the opinion that if you were not vaccinated you should be turned away from the hospital. I tried to point out that if a drunk driver is injured when he or she causes an accident, they don’t just throw the body in the ditch to die. Isn’t that similar? She woukdnt listen

I am so upset and annoyed about this that I can hardly express my opinions.

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BarefootGreg's avatar

Fellow Canadian here (British Columbia). I am extremely grateful that schools here reopened after only 2 months. We knew they were a priority and opened them as soon as it was politically tenable (yes, I believe most of the covid response decisions were political, not scientific).

And still, the young (under 45) have borne the brunt of this. Opioids. Suicides. Despair. Depression. We've sacrificed the young for the intention of saving the elderly. Societies that do that are destined for failure.

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Liz Williams's avatar

I totally agree. I don’t know but I think probably every country made stupid decisions - all made by bureaucrats and politicians rather than doctors. I’m sure that doctors were forced, persuaded, cajoled or whatever word you want to use to go along with the government narrative. We were lied to. The governments decided we should all be forced to be vaccinated and any lie that convinced people was fair game.

At least the adults among us could refuse to be vaccinated, ignore the mandates. But children had no choice. It’s the children I feel most sorry for. They were not at risk of getting sick. But parents were terrified by the lies. Teachers were terrified by the lies and children suffered as a result.

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BarefootGreg's avatar

Well, there were a lot of adults who couldn't afford the job loss associated with ignoring the mandates. But I agree: subjecting children to these experiments because the parents and teachers were afraid will be very difficult to forgive.

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Zacknonymous's avatar

Sacrificing anyone ... was unnecessary and evil. Some of these things were systemic failure that we only see in hindsight, but I don't see any accountability coming forward to prevent the same failures happening in the future. And this is what frightens me.

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BarefootGreg's avatar

Yep. And we're still in a state of emergency, legally speaking. We're not through this until the emergency is declared over and new standards for declaring an emergency are enacted.

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Scott Robinson's avatar

I can't understand why the authors remain "progressive, liberal Democrats" given the abject failure of the approach to the pandemic in schools described here. The interviewee and her colleagues have simply doubled down on disaster. They raised $40,000, wonderful, then they spent it on typically liberal activity: forming a PAC etc. One would have thought the Univ. of Michigan would have started experimental efforts to help students catch up and repair the damage wrought so families and schools could quickly discover what works, instead of going right back to the same old, same old. Anybody thought of experimental charter schools?

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Zacknonymous's avatar

Dr. Prasad says he "feels alone." I have felt "politically homeless" for ages in the United States. The Republicans say they are the party of "family values," but repeatedly demonstrate their anti-family bona fides by their actions. They were even against the Child Tax Credit, something that could directly have positive impact on our "low birth rate" that some of their extremists cry about.

On the other side, the Democrats say they are the party of "working families." Again, their actions through the pandemic speak louder than any words they could offer. When I hear the word "progressive," all I can say is, "It is a shame that we can't seem to elect any given how many of us there are." Younger generations are even less afraid to embrace the title of "socialist." The political pendulum is about to swing hard to the right, and I desperately fear that the reaction to it may be the end of the nation.

On any given day in America, I'm left to wonder if our elected officials hate the other party more than they hate their constituents. It seems to me that anything they do wrong has to be "the voters' fault." Really? Is that how democracy works? Transparent members and representatives of an oligarchy gaslight us all into the narrative that "we don't have a choice" but to endure their mistakes because "the other side is worse?" Meanwhile, their own treatment of us is more dystopian every passing election.

I followed the link to Jessica Kelly's little rant about the doctors' petition, and it just fills me with rage. Democrats continuously wonder, "Why don't people trust experts?" And then they have arrogant sociopaths like Kelly tell parents that they don't know what is good for their own kids. She tells PEDIATRICIANS that THEY don't know what is good for kids. Clearly, she does not understand how common folks simply recoil from such arrogance. Especially Americans.

They may title themselves "liberal" or "progressive," but their actions are nothing of the sort. PINO NOIR: Progressive in name only ... darker version ...

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Zacknonymous's avatar

I consider myself "progressive" with a "libertarian" streak. On the "political compass," this puts me in the "green box:" Left and toward the bottom. I believe that people can best decide for themselves for most of their own life decisions, and that government programs should be there to provide the safety for us to make our own choices. As a society, we have lost respect for each other to the degree that trust is at an all-time low. Our own decisions are not researched, but rationalized. Often, this rationalization stems from our political viewpoint, not the weight of evidence. We want to belong to a tribe. We want to believe our tribe is the best. This is coded into the software between our ears at a fundamental level.

I used to have a growing, politically-active, progressive Twitter account with over 8,000 followers. I involved myself in many campaigns, and gave around $30,000 to various ActBlue candidates in 2020. When I got my first Moderna vaccine (April 1, 2021 - the first day available to my age group in Hawaii), I had a disgusting taste in my mouth that lasted nearly half an hour. Two weeks later, I was diagnosed with hypertension. Every couple of days, my heart would go racing while sitting at my desk or driving in my car otherwise relaxed. It felt like a large, panicking moth was trapped in my ribcage. Still, I got my second vaccine. Everyone I spoke to blew off the idea that this could be related to the vaccine. Two months later, I ended up in the ER with chest pain, extremely elevated blood pressure, and a resting heart rate of 120 (prior to vaccination, my trusty Samsung watch said my resting average was 72). Still, they said it wasn't a heart attack, told me I was having a panic attack, and referred me to a mental health evaluation. Rumors started to circulate in wider circles about myocarditis, but they mostly applied to younger people, so I ignored it. It trusted my doctors. I trusted the vaccines were safe. I thought my symptoms were just a product of "age catching up to me" in my 50's and a terrible coincidence.

However, then I met some other folks with similar symptoms. Then more of them. Then a LOT of them. I started to tweet about my experience. I wondered how many folks had these kinds of reactions. I came to realize that I was among those who got myocarditis from the vaccine. I was called an "anti-vaxxer." (I'm so anti-vax, that I got the vaccine? What?)

In short order, my "progressive" following disappeared. They openly attacked me on Twitter. What I had built was gone in just a matter of weeks. In 2021, I finally just closed the account.

What is "progressive" about gaslighting an unheard minority group? What is "progressive" about erasing us? Forcing us into the closet, again? One of my closest friends told me that he was in the first group of vaccinated folks. His wife is a big-time surgeon, but even though he knew his symptoms were from the vaccine, he didn't dare talk to anyone about it. He knew that if it got out, his wife might be ostracized as having "married an anti-vaxxer." He had a very similar experience to my own, but he didn't even open up about it TO ME because he was afraid of how it would reflect on his wife's practice. Only after I told him I believed I had myocarditis from the vaccine did he open up. And boy did he! He had been closeted about it for over a year, at that point.

We have harmed, in the name of politics, science itself. We have harmed the reputation of vaunted institutions like the FDA and CDC. We have harmed tens of thousands of citizens with mandates. Maybe hundreds of thousands. And we have harmed, as a society, an entire generation of children. May they someday forgive us for our sins ...

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Liz Williams's avatar

I told my friend a story - a joke. Dr Paul Offit, who is on the US Vaccine advisory Board said he told his 20s son not to get a booster because of the risk of myocarditis. He said “my son’s girlfriend told him he should get it, so he did!” And he and the other doctor in the conversation laughed. The other doctor said you’re a world renowned vaccine expert and your son gets his medical advice from his girlfriend.” My friend was furious. She said “why would he tell his son not to get a booster? . The man’s an idiot.” She said “Myocarditis is nothing.” This “medical advice” from a 75 year old retired music teacher! Just shows how some people have lost their brains over this!!!

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Zacknonymous's avatar

How the average citizen behaved is terrible, but mostly only impacted them or their families. I can forgive that. How our institutions and leaders behaved at a time when we needed to trust them was with an unending stream of betrayals of that trust. That ... I cannot. When "follow the science" eventually led to political inconveniences, the science was discarded for politically comfortable gaslighting.

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HardeeHo's avatar

We see two major factors at work in our collective response to the pandemic. One, the use of the pandemic for political gain with masking becoming a loyalty test. That was globally affirmed in the common use of mass containment strategies and rejection of the "right wing" focused protection mitigation Great Barrington Declaration. The 1000x differential age risk was simply discarded. And the press exploited the situation by amplifying fear.

Second the systemic corruption involved with vaccines and proprietary drugs which benefited the NIH, NIH researchers' royalty checks and the drug industry. Alternative therapeutics along with proponents were rejected via the Trusted News Initiative.

This process of politicization and corruption has severely harmed society by separating us into our camps, each demonizing the other. But the real harm has come to our children particularly the children that need that solid education to escape the grind of poverty.

It's quite fair to really question our institutions - first, the press has failed us, then our political parties in their zeal to one-up each other along with a huge number of incompetent politicians who refuse independent thought and finally, the unions which exploited power knowing full well the real infection risks.

I do hope the national wake-up is arriving and that the inevitable political pendulum swing creates a opening for honesty. The damages to our social fabric have been great and the economic consequences equally large.

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Zacknonymous's avatar

The political pendulum swing is toward greater tyranny by the right, not freedom from the people who isolated us wrongly or damaged our children for years to come. If Democrats were going to question what they believe and why they believe it, they've now had 14 years since the election of "Hope and Change." And yet, we have more healthcare bankruptcies than ever, over 100 rural hospitals have closed, hundreds more are on the brink, and Democrats are still trying to gaslight the whole nation into believing they have done us a favor we should be grateful for in the ACA.

I don't think there is going to be a national wake-up. I think we're going to see more tribalism and a great rending of the "social fabric." Our political parties have failed us, but refuse to admit it. This has made us a nation of discontents and malcontents. We need a Great Uniter the likes of JFK or George Washington to get us through this kind of moment as a national whole ... but I don't see that person when I look for them. All I see is fear and loathing.

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HardeeHo's avatar

Thus we have the meme https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hard-times-create-strong-men. We can observe that the snake's tail appears as the far left and right unite toward that tyranny no better depicted than in Canada. We ordinary humans are not immune to capture by their fevers.

I cannot accept that the teacher's unions were unaware of the actual risks but yet chose to use their collective power. My late wife adopted a second career of teaching special education students would have been appalled. She was the type who visited homes of students to help. Most teachers are like that. We have a nation full of those people that need to shake of their fear and apathy.

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Soma Struck's avatar

We went through this in Madison WI, there has been a shocking drop in enrollment at all of the public schools in the area. We opted for private school for this reason and have decided to continue on that path as we have lost faith in the teachers Union and local health board to actually follow the science and prioritize children’s education

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

Very good…but no mention of what masking has done to these kids as far as their emotional, psychological and educational development. Also no talk of if these schools will or do require the EUA injection to attend school in person or to participate in any extracurricular activities.

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BarefootGreg's avatar

Another excellent piece, Vinay. Great interview.

I am sad to say that I no longer consider myself among progressives _because_of_ the covid response. I've lost trust in institutions that I once considered the bedrock of a functioning society. The 'experts' now appear politically motivated and mob-oriented. This has opened my eyes to the entire realm of policies and attitudes that contradict the available evidence.

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Jill F's avatar

Wow!! Wish we had had a group like this in Bellevue Washington!!👏👏

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Scott Robinson's avatar

PINO Noir !!!!!!!! a good one.

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Lucy's avatar

Zoom is garbage.

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