Sometimes mortality isn't the thing you're looking for, but just do you feel better? I used to think vitamin supplements were stupid, but when I started taking a couple of supplements to try to help my teeth, I found that Vitamin D + K2 helped the teeth stay noticably smoother, and the magnesium might not have had an effect on the teeth, but my heart arrythmia went from daily episodes to weekly, and now four years later, I don't have them any anymore. (The magnesium also made my periods more regular when I'd been seeing the signs of menopause - OOPS). I've also found that taking iodine has levelled my mood, and I don't yell at people right before bedtime anymore.
At this point, I'm on enough vitamins, that I started to think I should just take a multivitamin. That said, I think the advice of being able to adjust your vitamin levels individually makes sense to me, so I haven't....
The content of the vitamin really matters and that's the nuance that gets missed. If someone is having a problem and they don't have the resources to try everything, it's a shotgun approach that can be extremely helpful for many people.
True, and I've been careful to research which version of the vitamin is most absorbable and buy that. I'd bet that a lot of multivitamins try to use the cheapest instead of most absorbable (or least vomit-inducing) ingredients.
Vitamin A (as vitamin A acetate and as 40% beta-carotene) -> prefer beef liver or cod liver for vitamin A. My understanding is that the beta-carotene is useless if you don't have the gut bacteria to convert it.
Niacin (as niacinamide) - good low flush
Folate (as folic acid) - NOT good if you have the MTHFR mutation.
Vitamin B12 (as cyanocobalamin) - NOT good - builds up cyanide. I use the methylcobalamin or a multi-version with adenocobalamin. Also if you really need it (which our family does - one of my relatives ended up hearing voices and needing shots), you need it sublingually
Magnesium (as magnesium oxide) - NOT absorbable, many other versions are better
Zinc (as zinc oxide) - NOT absorbable and can make you want to vomit. Zinc picolinate is better
So yeah. How about we run a study of grass fed beef liver (which really is kind of a multivitamin - and comes in capsule form) against Centrum and do blood tests before/after and see what happens??
These multivitamin studies are almost always dishonest. Did you notice the study funded by Pfizer to show their cheap, semi-toxic multivitamin (CENTRUM) all of a sudden can reduce risk for dementia?
Gee, I wonder how that miracle works. How come CENTRUM, Pfizer's multivitamin, suddenly works even though alternative medicine is a fake news right wing lie?
With these studies, they are never rigorous enough to show anything interesting (such as actually looking at specific compounds in the vitamin etc), and they're always a bad faith attempt to add one more belt notch to the propaganda line that "alternative medicine doesn't work", whatever that even means, which it doesn't. It's mostly word salad (what is alternative medicine? what is "work"? mortality, that's it?) It just is a power game played by people who are insecure about the ultimate nature of their careers (and many of these are funded in part by pharma companies attempting to discredit people taking simple measures to take care of themselves).
Marketing? Maybe the reason some back roads get paved late in the fiscal year (because the need to “run out of funds” before the following year in order to get more funds for it)? Ya, clickbait alright.
Sometimes mortality isn't the thing you're looking for, but just do you feel better? I used to think vitamin supplements were stupid, but when I started taking a couple of supplements to try to help my teeth, I found that Vitamin D + K2 helped the teeth stay noticably smoother, and the magnesium might not have had an effect on the teeth, but my heart arrythmia went from daily episodes to weekly, and now four years later, I don't have them any anymore. (The magnesium also made my periods more regular when I'd been seeing the signs of menopause - OOPS). I've also found that taking iodine has levelled my mood, and I don't yell at people right before bedtime anymore.
At this point, I'm on enough vitamins, that I started to think I should just take a multivitamin. That said, I think the advice of being able to adjust your vitamin levels individually makes sense to me, so I haven't....
The content of the vitamin really matters and that's the nuance that gets missed. If someone is having a problem and they don't have the resources to try everything, it's a shotgun approach that can be extremely helpful for many people.
True, and I've been careful to research which version of the vitamin is most absorbable and buy that. I'd bet that a lot of multivitamins try to use the cheapest instead of most absorbable (or least vomit-inducing) ingredients.
Looking at one of the Centrum multivitamins:
https://www.centrum.com/content/dam/cf-consumer-healthcare/bp-wellness-centrum/en_US/products/product-01/MenupausaSupport/pdfs/Centrum-Complete-Multivitamin-Hot-Flash-Support.pdf
Vitamin A (as vitamin A acetate and as 40% beta-carotene) -> prefer beef liver or cod liver for vitamin A. My understanding is that the beta-carotene is useless if you don't have the gut bacteria to convert it.
Niacin (as niacinamide) - good low flush
Folate (as folic acid) - NOT good if you have the MTHFR mutation.
Vitamin B12 (as cyanocobalamin) - NOT good - builds up cyanide. I use the methylcobalamin or a multi-version with adenocobalamin. Also if you really need it (which our family does - one of my relatives ended up hearing voices and needing shots), you need it sublingually
Magnesium (as magnesium oxide) - NOT absorbable, many other versions are better
Zinc (as zinc oxide) - NOT absorbable and can make you want to vomit. Zinc picolinate is better
So yeah. How about we run a study of grass fed beef liver (which really is kind of a multivitamin - and comes in capsule form) against Centrum and do blood tests before/after and see what happens??
These multivitamin studies are almost always dishonest. Did you notice the study funded by Pfizer to show their cheap, semi-toxic multivitamin (CENTRUM) all of a sudden can reduce risk for dementia?
Gee, I wonder how that miracle works. How come CENTRUM, Pfizer's multivitamin, suddenly works even though alternative medicine is a fake news right wing lie?
With these studies, they are never rigorous enough to show anything interesting (such as actually looking at specific compounds in the vitamin etc), and they're always a bad faith attempt to add one more belt notch to the propaganda line that "alternative medicine doesn't work", whatever that even means, which it doesn't. It's mostly word salad (what is alternative medicine? what is "work"? mortality, that's it?) It just is a power game played by people who are insecure about the ultimate nature of their careers (and many of these are funded in part by pharma companies attempting to discredit people taking simple measures to take care of themselves).
Quick! Get Centrum while dementia is the hot new issue!!!
Ooh! ooh! Oooh! I know..I know, I know why. They got the call from Bourla. It needed to be "YOU'LL DIE" kind of a result.
Marketing? Maybe the reason some back roads get paved late in the fiscal year (because the need to “run out of funds” before the following year in order to get more funds for it)? Ya, clickbait alright.
Exactly, where is the equipoise?