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Mark Brody's avatar

It's hard to argue with people who are gaslighting you and have been doing so for 3 years. Their goal is not the same as yours: it's to justify their position because it works for them, not to engage in a relentless pursuit of the truth. This is why arguing with gaslights rarely ends well. Most of the time they don't even realize they are gaslighting: they just find themselves defending their positions like the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, when it has become beyond absurd to do so.

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The problem is that in academia and public health, the incentives have become perverse. They aren't trying to conduct science, to learn and understand how things work in a reproducible way.

The goal is to publish and say lots of things. No one appears concerned with making accurate claims. No one is even checking if you are correct. There is zero accountability when you are wrong. No one appears concerned with trying to be accurate, admitting when they are wrong, and discovering how to improve their accuracy.

It's crazy to me.

In the private sector, typically when you are wrong, you pay a price. You lose the promotion if not the job. If you make a model that shows it takes 10 factories to meet the demand for 1 million widgets, and when you model is executed it only makes 500,000 widgets, you lose your job. If you are a sales executive and promise a 50% increase in sales and only deliver 20%, you are fired.

In public health, Donna Ginther can say that Kansas counties that masked had a 100% decrease in Covid cases in an embarrassing study where simple replication of the claims done at time of publication showed a .3% absolute difference - yet she maintains her position as Distinguished Professor of Economics and director of the Institute for Policy & Social Research at the University of Kansas.

Your Local Epidemiologist Katelyn Jetelina can claim: "believe it or not, we continue to see a beautiful correlation between country-level vaccination rates and case rates/deaths" [1] citing an article from Der Spiegel [2] which if she had bothered to double check was already out of date by the time she reported on it, as cases in her highly vaccinated countries she praised like Denmark and Portugal exploded. Despite being it brought to her attention [3], she doesn't ever go back and examine how she got this wrong.

She remarks in a conversation with Dr. "19-tweets-to-explain-why-he's-ready-to-have-dinner-outdoors-without-a-mask" Watcher in December on how she knows masks work [4] "I keep thinking of 'why does my surgeon wear a mask when I am in surgery' you know, it must do something, it has to work". She reads all of her comments but ignores polite corrections showing her mistakes [5].

She continues to be acknowledged as an expert.

Even if you weren't fired in private sector for being so consistently wrong, you would at least be "window seated".

Epi Ellie gets to write a paper on the importance Boston School Masks not disclosing the authors successfully ran a Change.org petition to bring masks back to Boston Schools and wrote editorials begging to bring back masks [6], failed to realize several schools they counted as "Mask" got exceptions to drop masks [7], and when asked to explain all the confounders (like the fact the group counted as No Mask already had a higher baseline of cases when they were mandated to mask) argued "trust me, I have a PhD" [8]. The paper is not withdrawn, her job is intact. How?

What is most frustrating about all of this, is that these people are very intelligent. They believe they have the best intentions, they believe what they are doing is right. Katelyn Jetelina appears to be a very compassionate and hard working person.

As individuals I don't blame them. All of these people are incentivized to produce essays, studies, and commentaries without respect to being right or wrong. Thats a systemic problem of how "we", collectively, have organized the pursuit of science. It's absolutely broken.

There needs to be soul searching in "The Science" to understand how it is possible to generate 75 studies that find cloth masks make a huge difference in virus transmission. We know with near certainty this cannot be true, yet pooled together, ~1200 PhDs managed to find, over and over, that cloth masks worked. That is an indictment of how bad we are at sciencing.

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[1] https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/state-of-affairs-europe-should-we

[2] https://archive.ph/M138c

[3] https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/omicron-update-nov-29/comments?s=r

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu4rK8dAgnU&t=2005s

[5] https://archive.ph/XLBwb#selection-563.39-563.159

[6] https://twitter.com/EpiEllie/status/1429102872470433795 , https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/02/11/opinion/its-too-soon-lift-school-mask-mandate/

[7] https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/massachusetts-schools-mask-mandate-lifted-list-dese/

[8] https://twitter.com/EpiEllie/status/1557497452781096960?s=20&t=20X-EaQtKJAw3a0mwTzSTg

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