It's mandated for Vinay, actually -- he works for the University of California, where beyond any reason that I can think of other than desperate attempts historical revisionism and narrative control, people are forced to take the product before they're allowed on any campus.
It's essentially physical assault. Forcing people to either accept alienation from colleagues or take a medical product that has questionable efficacy. I hate the term because of its recent employment, but there's very little room for interpretation of this other than political persecution.
It has nothing to do with the "safety of the community". That premise was never sound and proved to be completely false over the past 6 months.
Goodness. That is extremely sad. This is a kind of shit that makes you give up you extended family, friends, community, your house, Job, professorship, medical practice, students, residents, fellows, all good memories, and emigrate to another state…
The bivalent booster uptake has been a tiny fraction of what the Biden administration projected. One of my 65+ friends died from a cardiac arrest which was most likely caused by his bivalent booster.
One (unintended?) consequence of giving more boosters to seniors is that it will extend the life of the social security trust fund.
However, the jab uptake among seniors is still pretty 'respectable.' So there are people who are skeptical of the jab (for anybody) and there are people who think that it is not needed for healthy children, but is still needed for seniors and people at higher risk.
I stopped taking the vaccine after being fully vaccinated. The data does not support more doses as adding significant better protection. I am 67 and still alive. Got BA.5 in November after working internationally in a developing country with a modest vaccination rate and no boosters. It was a mild head cold. The hospital where I was working was not overrun with critically ill people, no more so than usual. I am not demeaning those who suffered but we are in a very different place than we were in 2020 and early 2021. But as VP points out policy is based upon what is best for the White House and not based upon evidence based medicine. Sad times.....
Sooo, there will be another slightly revised booster available this fall? That brings us to 8. I’m over 65 and stopped with 2 doses due to adverse reaction, and I’ve never been sick with Covid. Everyone is on their own to decide, FDA and CDC are not capable of rational guidance.
Thank you for continuing to speak up, Vinay. This whole thing is a farce and makes me so embarrassed to be part of the medical profession.
I sincerely hope my elderly mom doesn't take a 7th shot. My RN brother, a strong covid vax advocate, has gotten 4 shots and I know he'll convince her to take another. He's had covid a couple times, including post bivalent booster, and experienced rebound from Paxlovid. A fair number of folks are buying into the big pharma propaganda hook, line, and sinker.
Good luck with your family and I'm a retired RN. Fortunately, my family all seems to be on the same side of the aisle, and/or at least to listen to one another...I'm proud of them.
Yes, same with my doc sister, who convinced my 92 year old parents to get boosters. Mom died after her dementia symptoms quickly increased, though only one of four siblings who directly observed this believe it. I'm hoping I can intervene before she gets to my dad again. So sick and perverted.
I don't get it. I hate that my mom will get conflicting info and she'll side with my brother, thinking, "What if I don't get this? Covid might kill me." It's crazy. She keeps feeling like she's breaking a rule or threatening her health if she doesn't keep getting boosted. She even told me last fall that she's tired of getting shots.
Well, you know this is what your brother is telling her. Before he got his last shot, my dad asked me if I thought they were trying to kill all the elderly. I responded yes, they are, but my doc sister somehow convinced him that this was a good idea. Of course she isn't the one having to deal with his increased cognitive impairment on a daily basis, but she will be the one having to deal with the problems her college age kids will experience if she continues to push the shots on them. No consolation though--I do like the kids.
Officially got the 'rona in Dec 2021. It was probably the mildest "illness" I've ever had. Sore throat, a mild headache . . . and I was just fine otherwise. Haven't gotten sick since despite only getting the first round of shots in March/April 2021. Both shots put me on my butt for 4 days each time . . . never again for me.
We got it in 2022 after I had two shots (one J&J that I had no reaction to and Pfizer that sent my body into some kind of pain hell). It was nothing at all for me to get over and was mostly just annoying. I realize this is quite different than the original virus in terms of how bad it could have been but I won’t be getting any more shots for something that is quite mild now.
And I think that's one of the main issues with the continued emphasis on jabs and other measures . . . this variant is on the whole not comparable to the ones in circulation in 2020 and maybe 2021 as well.
Well, one dose of mRNA almost killed me; three almost killed my brother in law, and two almost did in my sister in law! So I am making an intelligent guess that more doses are not a good idea!!
Yeah, sure, 8-series Vax. Yeah, the white house tweet.
Yeah, this is going to blow that right out of the water. Listen to this: 7... vax... series. Think about it. You walk into a pharmacy, you see 8-series Vax sittin' there, there's 7-series vax right beside it. Which one are you gonna pick, man?
I am sure that the reason why the government bought so many vials is it was a form of welfare for the pharm companies. Plus the NIH/FDA/CDC gets kickbacks in the form of royalties or whatever they want to call it. Unfortunately bad spending habits from the government means more money out of my pocket in the form of taxes. Wasteful spending. It is clear that the more you are vax, the more you get covid.
Key quote: “We need RCTs, and the FDA is failing the American people by not compelling the manufacturer— who has made 100 billion dollars and has so much cash they have to buy SeaGen just to put it somewhere— to run them.”
What more needs to be said?
More importantly, when do the torches and pitchforks come out?
You know, we have a few million doses of chicken poop here...and some anecdotal studies have shown it being an effective treatment for chapped lips...as an application of it makes many people stop licking their lips. So much better to approve and recommend chicken poop for treatment of chapped lips in adults and children that let it go to waste...
"7 doses has been pulled directly from Peter Marks’ ass." - Love this. Thanks VP, you speak straight from your heart with no sugar coating. You are not a media snob. Thanks for making a lay person like me understand EBM.
As strange as it may sound, a vaccinated and boosted individual is better being exposed to COVID again than getting boosted. Although we have no RCTs for this ( never will and should not), what we have learned is that protection through natural infection matters a lot. I still hear how some are proud about all the measures they took to evade COVID. How foolish and probably wrong can one be?
America is fast becoming a GOMER...just a demented, elderly existence headed for bad outcomes. Every time the government tries to intervene with another indicated "procedure", it leads to more bad outcomes.
This is a multi hundred Billion dollar industry… it’s not going away ever…
Eternal boosting is where we are headed!
The hypochondriac, neurotic, partisan/ tribalist and braindead masses are going to comply to the last shot.
I am not surprised.
As long as they do not mandate it, I can live with letting the evolution take its course..
It's mandated for Vinay, actually -- he works for the University of California, where beyond any reason that I can think of other than desperate attempts historical revisionism and narrative control, people are forced to take the product before they're allowed on any campus.
It's essentially physical assault. Forcing people to either accept alienation from colleagues or take a medical product that has questionable efficacy. I hate the term because of its recent employment, but there's very little room for interpretation of this other than political persecution.
It has nothing to do with the "safety of the community". That premise was never sound and proved to be completely false over the past 6 months.
Goodness. That is extremely sad. This is a kind of shit that makes you give up you extended family, friends, community, your house, Job, professorship, medical practice, students, residents, fellows, all good memories, and emigrate to another state…
Well, for me it was mostly the traffic.
LOL
“It’s essentially physical assault”
Res ipsa loquitur.
The bivalent booster uptake has been a tiny fraction of what the Biden administration projected. One of my 65+ friends died from a cardiac arrest which was most likely caused by his bivalent booster.
One (unintended?) consequence of giving more boosters to seniors is that it will extend the life of the social security trust fund.
The tiny percentage of parents getting the jab for their young kids is a pretty good indication of where most people are at regarding the vax.
However, the jab uptake among seniors is still pretty 'respectable.' So there are people who are skeptical of the jab (for anybody) and there are people who think that it is not needed for healthy children, but is still needed for seniors and people at higher risk.
Sorry to hear of your friend's death.
I stopped taking the vaccine after being fully vaccinated. The data does not support more doses as adding significant better protection. I am 67 and still alive. Got BA.5 in November after working internationally in a developing country with a modest vaccination rate and no boosters. It was a mild head cold. The hospital where I was working was not overrun with critically ill people, no more so than usual. I am not demeaning those who suffered but we are in a very different place than we were in 2020 and early 2021. But as VP points out policy is based upon what is best for the White House and not based upon evidence based medicine. Sad times.....
"7 doses [sic] has been pulled directly from Peter Marks’ ass" --- it is starting to seem like seven doses have come from somewhere strange. . . . .
Sooo, there will be another slightly revised booster available this fall? That brings us to 8. I’m over 65 and stopped with 2 doses due to adverse reaction, and I’ve never been sick with Covid. Everyone is on their own to decide, FDA and CDC are not capable of rational guidance.
Thank you for continuing to speak up, Vinay. This whole thing is a farce and makes me so embarrassed to be part of the medical profession.
I sincerely hope my elderly mom doesn't take a 7th shot. My RN brother, a strong covid vax advocate, has gotten 4 shots and I know he'll convince her to take another. He's had covid a couple times, including post bivalent booster, and experienced rebound from Paxlovid. A fair number of folks are buying into the big pharma propaganda hook, line, and sinker.
Good luck with your family and I'm a retired RN. Fortunately, my family all seems to be on the same side of the aisle, and/or at least to listen to one another...I'm proud of them.
Yes, same with my doc sister, who convinced my 92 year old parents to get boosters. Mom died after her dementia symptoms quickly increased, though only one of four siblings who directly observed this believe it. I'm hoping I can intervene before she gets to my dad again. So sick and perverted.
I don't get it. I hate that my mom will get conflicting info and she'll side with my brother, thinking, "What if I don't get this? Covid might kill me." It's crazy. She keeps feeling like she's breaking a rule or threatening her health if she doesn't keep getting boosted. She even told me last fall that she's tired of getting shots.
Well, you know this is what your brother is telling her. Before he got his last shot, my dad asked me if I thought they were trying to kill all the elderly. I responded yes, they are, but my doc sister somehow convinced him that this was a good idea. Of course she isn't the one having to deal with his increased cognitive impairment on a daily basis, but she will be the one having to deal with the problems her college age kids will experience if she continues to push the shots on them. No consolation though--I do like the kids.
What the hell are these people afraid of?
I don't have a freaking clue. Health care professionals are the worst offenders.
Officially got the 'rona in Dec 2021. It was probably the mildest "illness" I've ever had. Sore throat, a mild headache . . . and I was just fine otherwise. Haven't gotten sick since despite only getting the first round of shots in March/April 2021. Both shots put me on my butt for 4 days each time . . . never again for me.
We got it in 2022 after I had two shots (one J&J that I had no reaction to and Pfizer that sent my body into some kind of pain hell). It was nothing at all for me to get over and was mostly just annoying. I realize this is quite different than the original virus in terms of how bad it could have been but I won’t be getting any more shots for something that is quite mild now.
And I think that's one of the main issues with the continued emphasis on jabs and other measures . . . this variant is on the whole not comparable to the ones in circulation in 2020 and maybe 2021 as well.
Well, one dose of mRNA almost killed me; three almost killed my brother in law, and two almost did in my sister in law! So I am making an intelligent guess that more doses are not a good idea!!
Strange world we are in now. I’m so glad I’m not a young person.
Another case of life imitating art???
Have you heard of this thing, the 8-series vax?
Yeah, sure, 8-series Vax. Yeah, the white house tweet.
Yeah, this is going to blow that right out of the water. Listen to this: 7... vax... series. Think about it. You walk into a pharmacy, you see 8-series Vax sittin' there, there's 7-series vax right beside it. Which one are you gonna pick, man?
You want in?
I am sure that the reason why the government bought so many vials is it was a form of welfare for the pharm companies. Plus the NIH/FDA/CDC gets kickbacks in the form of royalties or whatever they want to call it. Unfortunately bad spending habits from the government means more money out of my pocket in the form of taxes. Wasteful spending. It is clear that the more you are vax, the more you get covid.
Key quote: “We need RCTs, and the FDA is failing the American people by not compelling the manufacturer— who has made 100 billion dollars and has so much cash they have to buy SeaGen just to put it somewhere— to run them.”
What more needs to be said?
More importantly, when do the torches and pitchforks come out?
You know, we have a few million doses of chicken poop here...and some anecdotal studies have shown it being an effective treatment for chapped lips...as an application of it makes many people stop licking their lips. So much better to approve and recommend chicken poop for treatment of chapped lips in adults and children that let it go to waste...
"7 doses has been pulled directly from Peter Marks’ ass." - Love this. Thanks VP, you speak straight from your heart with no sugar coating. You are not a media snob. Thanks for making a lay person like me understand EBM.
As strange as it may sound, a vaccinated and boosted individual is better being exposed to COVID again than getting boosted. Although we have no RCTs for this ( never will and should not), what we have learned is that protection through natural infection matters a lot. I still hear how some are proud about all the measures they took to evade COVID. How foolish and probably wrong can one be?
America is fast becoming a GOMER...just a demented, elderly existence headed for bad outcomes. Every time the government tries to intervene with another indicated "procedure", it leads to more bad outcomes.