Of course he is wrong but *even if he were right* look at how he describes it, as a close call kind of thing that involved weighing the "deleterious consequences" of school closures against assorted second-order health concerns like Long Covid in kids...
Um, NONE of that was tone while it was happening. Instead we got "quick and devastating" takedowns of the Great Barrington Declarations, "follow the Science" and if you didn't everyone was going to die. This is all so ridiculously dishonest.
Great comment. It’s increasingly difficult (IMO) to give Fauci any “benefit of the doubt” given his prominent role in the merciless suppression of dissent and debate. Ridiculously dishonest, indeed. Perhaps even murderous.
Fauci epitomizes the situation for so many "leaders" who made profound errors in judgement, failed to adjust based on reality as new information became available, and continued to pronounce their initial assessments as forever correct. Whether it be arrogance, fear of losing control acquired over large segments of the population, or more heinous attributes, Fauci and those like him will never admit their mistakes for fear of civil, criminal, and above all reputational legacy risks. Thank you, Vinay Prasad, for your part in holding them accountable.
“Closed schools for to 4-6 weeks”? How about 4-6 months and longer! As well as the stupid masking requirements and social distancing in schools when they did go back to ‘in person’ learning. How about the EUA vaxx mandates for kids to participate in extracurricular sports! A vaxx (still with EUA status) that is now known to cause myocarditis in fit and active young people!
The policies that were recommended by the EVIL Dr. Fauci and were dutifully followed by school districts, & State & Local Government’s (so that they could get Federal & State ‘Covid’ funds)! This whole Scamdemic will continue it’s ripple of repercussions for kids and even us older folks, for the rest of our lives and theirs!
The number of kids with anxiety and depression, the number of kids who gained weight, lost momentum to be active, kids (particulalry pre teen and teens) who became screen addicts, the younger children have significant language loss, and many other deleterious long term effects will never be properly measured. I am not just sickened by Fauci but by the leaders in our blue states (medicine, education) who bought into the whole crock of shit.
I think it would be unwise to assume that any of this was accidental or unexpected (not that you are, but many others are). They knew (we all knew) that all of this would happen. I doubt that any of this was a goal, but it's clear that they (at best) felt no shame in allowing kids to be collateral damage in some larger political game.
Fauci's reputation will be ashes. More than anything, I want him figuratively tarred and feathered. I want him and the feckless doctors and researchers who toed the line for grant money to be the face of ignorance and negligence.
But ten years from now when the covidians wake up from the stupor, they'll all claim they were against Fauci even as they surreptitiously take the Fauci bobblehead dolls off of their mantle.
Thank you for being willing to say the truth here. Scientists are human, we can get things wrong, BUT science requires recognizing the truth when the data is in.
And regarding California schools - many schools weren't Open AND Normal in Spring 2021. It was a hybrid model with half day teaching until May/June 2021.
AND NOW - FALL 2022 - kids are STILL being required to stay home 10 days after symptom onset if covid tests come back positive. An adult can fly with a mask after 5 days, BUT KIDS HAVE TO STAY HOME FOR 10 days! STILL. (Redwood City Public School district in particular) So a kid's fever with Covid could break on day 3, but the "24 hours after fever breaks, come back to school rule" doesn't apply here. It's until a negative test or 10 days after symptom onset. So a kid can miss almost 1.5 weeks of school over a mild disease.
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong."
Society will forever be the loser with the continued shutdowns and closures that occurred even after the vaccine was available,! My friend told us of their loss when their Granddaughter completed her Air Force training and their traditional graduation was cancelled. Her Grandfather was a veteran and double vaccinated and although elderly was planning on attending this great event. The federal government just cancelled and these grads just never received any recognition for their hard work,
If I were Fauci, I would make the same statements. There will be many devastated parents who swallowed the vaccine rhetoric and lost children or are coping with disabled children, and maybe (eventually) prison sentences for some who willfully falsified information. He's smart to insist that his decisions were based on "all availble data at the time".
"all available data at the time" - but they were not. We had evidence from Japan and the EU that schools were not places of spread and that teachers were at minimal risk from children, unlike seasonal flu. Children, even with high viral loads were less capable of spread, likely because of smaller lungs. After a few months we were aware that the risk was stratified with the elderly 1000x more at risk than the young. We now know that Covid has an IFR less than flu for those under 50. That wasn't known at first so caution was logical. As data arrived, we needed to adjust but didn't. We continued to cause fear by claiming we all had the same risk using the high IFR of the elderly in reports rather than calm the public, most of whom were at a low risk of death.
Yes, they were not, which is why he needs to be wary of any acknowledgement of truth. Next, we'll probably hear of his "retirement" to somewhere outside the U.S., with the millions he's made, and hoping there's no extradition.
He's probably watching the situation with Fat Leonard to see if Venezuela will extradite. Maybe South Africa, but there might be too much history of HIV drug injury for his safety there.
Of course he is wrong but *even if he were right* look at how he describes it, as a close call kind of thing that involved weighing the "deleterious consequences" of school closures against assorted second-order health concerns like Long Covid in kids...
Um, NONE of that was tone while it was happening. Instead we got "quick and devastating" takedowns of the Great Barrington Declarations, "follow the Science" and if you didn't everyone was going to die. This is all so ridiculously dishonest.
Great comment. It’s increasingly difficult (IMO) to give Fauci any “benefit of the doubt” given his prominent role in the merciless suppression of dissent and debate. Ridiculously dishonest, indeed. Perhaps even murderous.
Fauci epitomizes the situation for so many "leaders" who made profound errors in judgement, failed to adjust based on reality as new information became available, and continued to pronounce their initial assessments as forever correct. Whether it be arrogance, fear of losing control acquired over large segments of the population, or more heinous attributes, Fauci and those like him will never admit their mistakes for fear of civil, criminal, and above all reputational legacy risks. Thank you, Vinay Prasad, for your part in holding them accountable.
Let us hope that they are indeed held accountable.
Fauci is a narcissist. He will never admit wrong.
“Closed schools for to 4-6 weeks”? How about 4-6 months and longer! As well as the stupid masking requirements and social distancing in schools when they did go back to ‘in person’ learning. How about the EUA vaxx mandates for kids to participate in extracurricular sports! A vaxx (still with EUA status) that is now known to cause myocarditis in fit and active young people!
The policies that were recommended by the EVIL Dr. Fauci and were dutifully followed by school districts, & State & Local Government’s (so that they could get Federal & State ‘Covid’ funds)! This whole Scamdemic will continue it’s ripple of repercussions for kids and even us older folks, for the rest of our lives and theirs!
The empitome of the swamp.
The number of kids with anxiety and depression, the number of kids who gained weight, lost momentum to be active, kids (particulalry pre teen and teens) who became screen addicts, the younger children have significant language loss, and many other deleterious long term effects will never be properly measured. I am not just sickened by Fauci but by the leaders in our blue states (medicine, education) who bought into the whole crock of shit.
I think it would be unwise to assume that any of this was accidental or unexpected (not that you are, but many others are). They knew (we all knew) that all of this would happen. I doubt that any of this was a goal, but it's clear that they (at best) felt no shame in allowing kids to be collateral damage in some larger political game.
Fauci's reputation will be ashes. More than anything, I want him figuratively tarred and feathered. I want him and the feckless doctors and researchers who toed the line for grant money to be the face of ignorance and negligence.
But ten years from now when the covidians wake up from the stupor, they'll all claim they were against Fauci even as they surreptitiously take the Fauci bobblehead dolls off of their mantle.
1000000% right.
Thank you for being willing to say the truth here. Scientists are human, we can get things wrong, BUT science requires recognizing the truth when the data is in.
And regarding California schools - many schools weren't Open AND Normal in Spring 2021. It was a hybrid model with half day teaching until May/June 2021.
AND NOW - FALL 2022 - kids are STILL being required to stay home 10 days after symptom onset if covid tests come back positive. An adult can fly with a mask after 5 days, BUT KIDS HAVE TO STAY HOME FOR 10 days! STILL. (Redwood City Public School district in particular) So a kid's fever with Covid could break on day 3, but the "24 hours after fever breaks, come back to school rule" doesn't apply here. It's until a negative test or 10 days after symptom onset. So a kid can miss almost 1.5 weeks of school over a mild disease.
Fauci is a fearful megalomaniac in a position of great power. He was and is the worst kind of leader you'd want - ever
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong."
~ Thomas Sowell
This is the most dangerous epidemic of them all.
Society will forever be the loser with the continued shutdowns and closures that occurred even after the vaccine was available,! My friend told us of their loss when their Granddaughter completed her Air Force training and their traditional graduation was cancelled. Her Grandfather was a veteran and double vaccinated and although elderly was planning on attending this great event. The federal government just cancelled and these grads just never received any recognition for their hard work,
If I were Fauci, I would make the same statements. There will be many devastated parents who swallowed the vaccine rhetoric and lost children or are coping with disabled children, and maybe (eventually) prison sentences for some who willfully falsified information. He's smart to insist that his decisions were based on "all availble data at the time".
"all available data at the time" - but they were not. We had evidence from Japan and the EU that schools were not places of spread and that teachers were at minimal risk from children, unlike seasonal flu. Children, even with high viral loads were less capable of spread, likely because of smaller lungs. After a few months we were aware that the risk was stratified with the elderly 1000x more at risk than the young. We now know that Covid has an IFR less than flu for those under 50. That wasn't known at first so caution was logical. As data arrived, we needed to adjust but didn't. We continued to cause fear by claiming we all had the same risk using the high IFR of the elderly in reports rather than calm the public, most of whom were at a low risk of death.
Yes, they were not, which is why he needs to be wary of any acknowledgement of truth. Next, we'll probably hear of his "retirement" to somewhere outside the U.S., with the millions he's made, and hoping there's no extradition.
Now, *that* would be an acknowledgement of the truth "What I did could get me put in jail.... So I think I'll move to Venezuela....."
He's probably watching the situation with Fat Leonard to see if Venezuela will extradite. Maybe South Africa, but there might be too much history of HIV drug injury for his safety there.