"But the worst thing they did, was prevent a fair debate and dialog, and that is the greatest threat going forward."
I heartily agree. Normalization of censorship, both of legitimate scientific discourse and regular people expressing their opinion, is the most poisonous legacy of Covid.
I think the most evil thing they did was pretend drs didn’t know how to treat any of the symptoms anyone was having. And actually persecuting those drs that did try to treat patients.
Doctors still don’t know how to treat injuries. It’s throwing stuff against the wall and see what sticks. I know many people believe doctors were in on this mess. Not that I know but only from my experience, many doctors didn’t know what to do for me. They recognized injuries were/are occurring. The problem stems from the governments/ health agencies not apprising doctors of the injuries. They hung the doctors out to dry. This was a new technology tried on humans. As Akiko Iwasaki at Yale and others say, regular run of the mill testing isn’t sophisticated enough to pick up problems because it’s at a deep molecular level. What surprised me was the doctors who proclaimed it’s not the fault of the vaccine. How would one know that as no diagnostic test exists?
The only physicians doing any kind of work trying to figure out how to treat these “vax” mRNA injuries is the FLCCC and Dr. Peter McCullough. And Dr. Pierre Kory.
Please take the time to watch the Senate Homeland Security Hearings about Early Covid Treatment in November 2020. Listen to Sen. Peter’s opening statements. And most importantly, Dr. Jha’s attitude towards the Doctors who were presenting their success stories in treating high risk Covid patients Early with an HCQ protocol. He basically inferred that they were lying.
He most certainly was playing “lap dog”. I believe he shortly afterwards as well labeled those Doctors as “snake oil” salespersons.
As far as I’m concerned Dr. Jha has blood on his hands. Untold thousands of lives could have been saved if these Early Treatment protocols had been adapted and promoted.
But it’s been made very clear who’s in charge here. And hint, hint, no, our health our lives, were not their priority.
Please elaborate on the “early COVID treatment” data. If it’s ivermectin, vitamins or other unfounded cocktail, let’s remember that two wrongs don’t make a right. Labeling doctors presenting their own success stories as a treatment is also misleading and not good science. I got Covid in march of 2020 and coughed and felt like crap in my basement. My successful treatment was Netflix and my proof is that I survived. I know many others also who got better with this intervention.
Early in the pandemic, Doctors on the front line were using drugs with excellent safety profiles plus Vitamin D and other safe ideas with no downside. They tried to send their clinical excellent results to the “ leaders” to fund a proper study. They were vilified and denigrated.
By the time any studies were done the virus has mutated and wad less lethal.
There were malign reasons the Fauci, Walensky, pharma ppl did not want any “ therapeutics” available . The mRNA shot was their only goal.
“Labeling doctors presenting their own success stories as a treatment is also misleading and not good science. “
If its a treatment..and worked or didnt work..it’s still a treatment.You clearly dont know anything about science "Dr" netflix
Are you new to this?
“I got Covid in march of 2020 and coughed and felt like crap in my basement. My successful treatment was Netflix and my proof is that I survived. I know many others also who got better with this intervention.”
Oh FFS…
I will play your game Mr Scientism…
Thats an unproven anecdote..bang dead..
Anyway..Netflix would have save this cohort below?…because you don`t appear to be too bright its called sarcasm.
Antihistamines and azithromycin as a treatment for COVID-19 on primary health care – A retrospective observational study in elderly patients
I remember so clearly watching this hearing … it’s like we are in the twilight zone . Those hearings need to be televised on all channels…. The truth was kept hidden from the masses. V V V sad
What kind of Doctor and/or public health “expert” supports a mandate of a new, novel, experimental drug that the makers and government refused to make public all of the trial info? And actually sued to keep it private for 75 years? This guy should be in jail.
True story- my stepdaughter caught covid in Jan 2021 (age 21) The following June she started work in a dental office. Vaccine mandates were put in place, but she declined, as there was no benefit for her. Per the state regs, that meant every time one of her vaccinated coworkers came down with covid (they were all vaccinated) she was the one that had to stay home for 10 days without pay. Even though with natural immunity she had more protection from the virus than they did! Obviously this was punishment, not public health. By December 2021 she couldn't afford any more unpaid days off, so she broke down and took the AZ vaccine (she chose that one because she would be considered vaccinated sooner- one and done. Despite the risks for young women.) Three weeks later, she caught covid again! But now, because she was among the compliant, she was allowed (rather, required) to go to work WITH COVID, and feeling awful. What do you think this generation's opinion is of the public health regime? Even if they correct now, it will take decades to undo the harm they've done to their reputation.
imagine if they'd just arrived at "everyone can just get covid repeatedly, it doesn't matter what happens as a result" right at the start? Would have avoided all this foolishness.
Well remember at the beginning we were told we couldn’t attain herd immunity through getting sick with the virus, only the shot could establish herd immunity. Brought to you by the pharmaceutical companies. Pharmaceutical companies hold a lot of power and influence. Governments were relying on the “science” coming out of big pharma who have a vested interest. Duh.
True story—high disinformation Trump supporting counties had the highest Covid death rates after January 2021…don’t ever say Covid didn’t do some good! 😂
These people should not be anywhere near having any kind of power over an American citizen ever again. Hindsight is 20/20? Yeah, actual sight was 20/20 IN 20/20. So tired of the lies. They need to be reminded of all the unconstitutional rules they pushed on us and reminded to look at all the blood on their hands. I’m so over it.
I dont think ill ever get over this. Im Canadian and the "unvxed" weren't allowed on planes or public transport. My teen boys couldn't see their grandmother over the summer in Montreal. I could tell you stories about my fellow Canadians. Not so nice after all.
I got shot injured after my 1st pfizer. Prior to, I believed our government “safe and effective follow the science.” Then I realized every western nation was using the same narrative. The weaponized terms “anti vaxxer, conspiracy theorists, anti science,” all used by other countries. Word for word, it all came from the same playbook. I believe pharma and their expensive P.R firms were behind this. They stood to make a shit load of money. They were rubbing their collective hands at the win fall.
My concern is that given what’s going on politically right now, people are going to start rolling out another excuse for their bad policies. That they were done at the direction of someone without the cognitive abilities to make the correct one. So they were just following orders.
Cuomo seems to have the job to interview the players like Redfield, etc and to start dripping the information out. But it also seems they are testing the waters releasing just the tip of the iceberg to see if that satisfies the masses. Nothing has changed.
Many more mRNA bases vaccines are in the pipeline for Pfizer and Moderna...while side effects are totally ignored by FDA. We have been fed unbelievable lies, mRNA is a flawed platform since any human cell can transcribe RNA, causing all kinds of autoimmune disorders, not to mention cancers. Government regulators totally failed us in favor of $$$
Not just in favor of money but to obtain an even greater coveted item... POWER. They wanted to grab power, they wanted to play God and getting rich was just a side benefit of it all. It's grotesque and evil.
Before we start forcing people to take any vaccine, lets first prove they are helpful, safe, effective and better than not taking them. There is no way that any vaccine or mRNA poisons should be mandated for any reason. The burden of proof that they are needed is on the government and medical community. And therein lies the problem. We will NEVER get the truth from either.
No one actually needs 20/20 hindsight to see these decisions were wrong and destructive. They knew it while they were implementing these mandates and dictates on high. But the lust for power, to shut down an election year and cause chaos, to redistribute wealth to make the wealthy even wealthier, to punish critical thinkers and Americans that believe they are free and have body autonomy were too delicious for them to pass up. Anyone with two working brain cells knew what was going on and pushed back in whatever way they could.
Yes, they have caused irreparable damage to the trust and respect people had for medical providers. And confirmed basic fears of how far tyrants will go to be in control. I personally stay as far away from the "healthcare" system as possible. It's on emergent and strictly necessary basis only. And even then, I am reluctant and suspicious of their true motivations when treating me. Especially when they learn I am not vaccinated and will not be vaccinated. I'm not alone in those feelings either.
This guy Ashish Jha gave me the creeps from day one of his “reign”. A key sentence in your piece was: "Perhaps as little as 1-2% of US people got a dose of the vaccine **due to the mandate** [emphasis mine]”. I don’t think Dr. Jha is the brightest bulb in the living room lamp, but he may have sort of hoped that we mouth-breathing cretins and rubes out here in public would be finessed and not notice that such a tiny relative number of folks could have EVEN POSSIBLY “responded to the vaccine mandate”. Hell, many who got vaccines, booster, etc. could have been planning to get the full vaccine course *even had Jha never appeared on the tube with his blarney*. So, he strikes me as a bullshit artist. A definite reading assignment for any who have come this far in my Comment would be the dandy little book called “On Bullshit” by Yale Professor Harry Frankfurt who makes the key point of the book early on: A liar needs to know some or most elements of The Truth in order to craft his/her lie. But a bullshitter needs no such raw material because he/she does not care what he/she says or writes. In other words, I am suspicious that Jha is a very experienced bullshit artist. Just my opinion, and that’s no bullshit.
Thanks for this. We need a true Morbidity and Mortality conference on the pandemic. A conference that looks at the evidence, dissects it out and draws data backed conclusions not a politically motivated one like the Republican hearings. The experts who ignored data and forged ahead with non evidence based policies need to be called out. They owe that to the American people. There needs to be open discussion and debate about what worked and what didn’t. That’s how we learn and how we prevent what transpired from happening again. Unfortunately I doubt that will happen.
Do we have data comparing country like the US where it was mandated and a lot more people got vaccinated vs. countries that didn’t mandate and did better than the US in terms of hospitalization and death? This will be an interesting data to study and compare.
What continues to bother me about the entire COVID-19 response was the inability to acknowledge the efficacy of resistance conferred by previous infection. There was all kinds of evidence that immunity due to previous infection was protective but the powers that be continued to require those who had a previous COVID-19 infection to get vaccinated even though there was no evidence that vaccination increased protection in such cases. That whole meme left a very bad taste in my mouth.
Well, Doctor, I'm particularly grateful to have gotten my severe respiratory infection before the prohibitions against standard protocols were imposed. I received the sort of early treatment that was denied to others, just a month later. It's hardly surprising that trust in the competence and honesty of the medical industry is dissolving.
"But the worst thing they did, was prevent a fair debate and dialog, and that is the greatest threat going forward."
I heartily agree. Normalization of censorship, both of legitimate scientific discourse and regular people expressing their opinion, is the most poisonous legacy of Covid.
I think the most evil thing they did was pretend drs didn’t know how to treat any of the symptoms anyone was having. And actually persecuting those drs that did try to treat patients.
The censorship enabled both of those actions.
And apparently even that’s ok. (Murthy Supreme Court ruling). 🤬
That trial isn't over yet.
Doctors still don’t know how to treat injuries. It’s throwing stuff against the wall and see what sticks. I know many people believe doctors were in on this mess. Not that I know but only from my experience, many doctors didn’t know what to do for me. They recognized injuries were/are occurring. The problem stems from the governments/ health agencies not apprising doctors of the injuries. They hung the doctors out to dry. This was a new technology tried on humans. As Akiko Iwasaki at Yale and others say, regular run of the mill testing isn’t sophisticated enough to pick up problems because it’s at a deep molecular level. What surprised me was the doctors who proclaimed it’s not the fault of the vaccine. How would one know that as no diagnostic test exists?
The only physicians doing any kind of work trying to figure out how to treat these “vax” mRNA injuries is the FLCCC and Dr. Peter McCullough. And Dr. Pierre Kory.
💯!!!
Please take the time to watch the Senate Homeland Security Hearings about Early Covid Treatment in November 2020. Listen to Sen. Peter’s opening statements. And most importantly, Dr. Jha’s attitude towards the Doctors who were presenting their success stories in treating high risk Covid patients Early with an HCQ protocol. He basically inferred that they were lying.
He most certainly was playing “lap dog”. I believe he shortly afterwards as well labeled those Doctors as “snake oil” salespersons.
As far as I’m concerned Dr. Jha has blood on his hands. Untold thousands of lives could have been saved if these Early Treatment protocols had been adapted and promoted.
But it’s been made very clear who’s in charge here. And hint, hint, no, our health our lives, were not their priority.
Spot on. Dr. Jha returned to Brown University as Dean of its School of Public Health. He remained silent after a Brown student was hospitalized due to the jab mandates. Hope Vinay and more doctors can investigate this and hold Jha accountable: https://brownstone.org/articles/brown-universitys-silence-on-post-vaccine-myocarditis/
Jha should be caned— on CNN live. allow family members to each take a sold wack to his ass — relish seeing that coward whimpering
Please elaborate on the “early COVID treatment” data. If it’s ivermectin, vitamins or other unfounded cocktail, let’s remember that two wrongs don’t make a right. Labeling doctors presenting their own success stories as a treatment is also misleading and not good science. I got Covid in march of 2020 and coughed and felt like crap in my basement. My successful treatment was Netflix and my proof is that I survived. I know many others also who got better with this intervention.
Early in the pandemic, Doctors on the front line were using drugs with excellent safety profiles plus Vitamin D and other safe ideas with no downside. They tried to send their clinical excellent results to the “ leaders” to fund a proper study. They were vilified and denigrated.
By the time any studies were done the virus has mutated and wad less lethal.
There were malign reasons the Fauci, Walensky, pharma ppl did not want any “ therapeutics” available . The mRNA shot was their only goal.
Another Poes law candidate.
Dr Netflix waddles in...
“Please elaborate on the “early COVID treatment” data. “
You know exactly what they meant…it can be found on “the google”
You appear to have suddenly burst out of some form of cryogenic freezing into this world.
https://c19ivm.org/
Its called science…
“If it’s ivermectin, vitamins or other unfounded cocktail, let’s remember that two wrongs don’t make a right.”
English a second language.?
There were no “wrongs” in your dismal attempt at trying to make some form of argument.
https://c19ivm.org/
“Labeling doctors presenting their own success stories as a treatment is also misleading and not good science. “
If its a treatment..and worked or didnt work..it’s still a treatment.You clearly dont know anything about science "Dr" netflix
Are you new to this?
“I got Covid in march of 2020 and coughed and felt like crap in my basement. My successful treatment was Netflix and my proof is that I survived. I know many others also who got better with this intervention.”
Oh FFS…
I will play your game Mr Scientism…
Thats an unproven anecdote..bang dead..
Anyway..Netflix would have save this cohort below?…because you don`t appear to be too bright its called sarcasm.
Antihistamines and azithromycin as a treatment for COVID-19 on primary health care – A retrospective observational study in elderly patients
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7833340/#!po=34.9057
If your clueless about a subject..dont let everyone know!
The acronym "MD" after your name...how cringe/ironic is that...
But, there were others who had a worse case than you.
DeSantis and his Lapdog pushed ivermectin during the Delta death surge…it didn’t work at least as prescribed.
Yes!!!
I remember so clearly watching this hearing … it’s like we are in the twilight zone . Those hearings need to be televised on all channels…. The truth was kept hidden from the masses. V V V sad
What kind of Doctor and/or public health “expert” supports a mandate of a new, novel, experimental drug that the makers and government refused to make public all of the trial info? And actually sued to keep it private for 75 years? This guy should be in jail.
This! It is unbelievable to me that this was at all legal.
True story- my stepdaughter caught covid in Jan 2021 (age 21) The following June she started work in a dental office. Vaccine mandates were put in place, but she declined, as there was no benefit for her. Per the state regs, that meant every time one of her vaccinated coworkers came down with covid (they were all vaccinated) she was the one that had to stay home for 10 days without pay. Even though with natural immunity she had more protection from the virus than they did! Obviously this was punishment, not public health. By December 2021 she couldn't afford any more unpaid days off, so she broke down and took the AZ vaccine (she chose that one because she would be considered vaccinated sooner- one and done. Despite the risks for young women.) Three weeks later, she caught covid again! But now, because she was among the compliant, she was allowed (rather, required) to go to work WITH COVID, and feeling awful. What do you think this generation's opinion is of the public health regime? Even if they correct now, it will take decades to undo the harm they've done to their reputation.
imagine if they'd just arrived at "everyone can just get covid repeatedly, it doesn't matter what happens as a result" right at the start? Would have avoided all this foolishness.
Well remember at the beginning we were told we couldn’t attain herd immunity through getting sick with the virus, only the shot could establish herd immunity. Brought to you by the pharmaceutical companies. Pharmaceutical companies hold a lot of power and influence. Governments were relying on the “science” coming out of big pharma who have a vested interest. Duh.
They said Covid didn’t behave like other viruses.
True story—high disinformation Trump supporting counties had the highest Covid death rates after January 2021…don’t ever say Covid didn’t do some good! 😂
These people should not be anywhere near having any kind of power over an American citizen ever again. Hindsight is 20/20? Yeah, actual sight was 20/20 IN 20/20. So tired of the lies. They need to be reminded of all the unconstitutional rules they pushed on us and reminded to look at all the blood on their hands. I’m so over it.
I dont think ill ever get over this. Im Canadian and the "unvxed" weren't allowed on planes or public transport. My teen boys couldn't see their grandmother over the summer in Montreal. I could tell you stories about my fellow Canadians. Not so nice after all.
I got shot injured after my 1st pfizer. Prior to, I believed our government “safe and effective follow the science.” Then I realized every western nation was using the same narrative. The weaponized terms “anti vaxxer, conspiracy theorists, anti science,” all used by other countries. Word for word, it all came from the same playbook. I believe pharma and their expensive P.R firms were behind this. They stood to make a shit load of money. They were rubbing their collective hands at the win fall.
My concern is that given what’s going on politically right now, people are going to start rolling out another excuse for their bad policies. That they were done at the direction of someone without the cognitive abilities to make the correct one. So they were just following orders.
Just following orders hmmm where have I heard that before ? Oh WW2
Cuomo seems to have the job to interview the players like Redfield, etc and to start dripping the information out. But it also seems they are testing the waters releasing just the tip of the iceberg to see if that satisfies the masses. Nothing has changed.
Many more mRNA bases vaccines are in the pipeline for Pfizer and Moderna...while side effects are totally ignored by FDA. We have been fed unbelievable lies, mRNA is a flawed platform since any human cell can transcribe RNA, causing all kinds of autoimmune disorders, not to mention cancers. Government regulators totally failed us in favor of $$$
Not just in favor of money but to obtain an even greater coveted item... POWER. They wanted to grab power, they wanted to play God and getting rich was just a side benefit of it all. It's grotesque and evil.
Before we start forcing people to take any vaccine, lets first prove they are helpful, safe, effective and better than not taking them. There is no way that any vaccine or mRNA poisons should be mandated for any reason. The burden of proof that they are needed is on the government and medical community. And therein lies the problem. We will NEVER get the truth from either.
No one actually needs 20/20 hindsight to see these decisions were wrong and destructive. They knew it while they were implementing these mandates and dictates on high. But the lust for power, to shut down an election year and cause chaos, to redistribute wealth to make the wealthy even wealthier, to punish critical thinkers and Americans that believe they are free and have body autonomy were too delicious for them to pass up. Anyone with two working brain cells knew what was going on and pushed back in whatever way they could.
Yes, they have caused irreparable damage to the trust and respect people had for medical providers. And confirmed basic fears of how far tyrants will go to be in control. I personally stay as far away from the "healthcare" system as possible. It's on emergent and strictly necessary basis only. And even then, I am reluctant and suspicious of their true motivations when treating me. Especially when they learn I am not vaccinated and will not be vaccinated. I'm not alone in those feelings either.
This guy Ashish Jha gave me the creeps from day one of his “reign”. A key sentence in your piece was: "Perhaps as little as 1-2% of US people got a dose of the vaccine **due to the mandate** [emphasis mine]”. I don’t think Dr. Jha is the brightest bulb in the living room lamp, but he may have sort of hoped that we mouth-breathing cretins and rubes out here in public would be finessed and not notice that such a tiny relative number of folks could have EVEN POSSIBLY “responded to the vaccine mandate”. Hell, many who got vaccines, booster, etc. could have been planning to get the full vaccine course *even had Jha never appeared on the tube with his blarney*. So, he strikes me as a bullshit artist. A definite reading assignment for any who have come this far in my Comment would be the dandy little book called “On Bullshit” by Yale Professor Harry Frankfurt who makes the key point of the book early on: A liar needs to know some or most elements of The Truth in order to craft his/her lie. But a bullshitter needs no such raw material because he/she does not care what he/she says or writes. In other words, I am suspicious that Jha is a very experienced bullshit artist. Just my opinion, and that’s no bullshit.
Thanks for the book recommendation. Going to search for it now.
Thanks for this. We need a true Morbidity and Mortality conference on the pandemic. A conference that looks at the evidence, dissects it out and draws data backed conclusions not a politically motivated one like the Republican hearings. The experts who ignored data and forged ahead with non evidence based policies need to be called out. They owe that to the American people. There needs to be open discussion and debate about what worked and what didn’t. That’s how we learn and how we prevent what transpired from happening again. Unfortunately I doubt that will happen.
Stanford is sponsoring such a conference in October thanks to Dr Jay Bhattacharya and Dr George Tidmarsh
Do we have data comparing country like the US where it was mandated and a lot more people got vaccinated vs. countries that didn’t mandate and did better than the US in terms of hospitalization and death? This will be an interesting data to study and compare.
What continues to bother me about the entire COVID-19 response was the inability to acknowledge the efficacy of resistance conferred by previous infection. There was all kinds of evidence that immunity due to previous infection was protective but the powers that be continued to require those who had a previous COVID-19 infection to get vaccinated even though there was no evidence that vaccination increased protection in such cases. That whole meme left a very bad taste in my mouth.
Well, Doctor, I'm particularly grateful to have gotten my severe respiratory infection before the prohibitions against standard protocols were imposed. I received the sort of early treatment that was denied to others, just a month later. It's hardly surprising that trust in the competence and honesty of the medical industry is dissolving.