Vinay, It is really the medical establishment that has led this catastrophe. Most doctors do not have the mindset or statistical training to sort the wheat from the chaff. They rely on a few trusted sources to, they believe, do that for them. It is the trusted sources that have failed: The professional associations (The AAP in particular -- they should be disbanded in shame, but the AMA/JAMA are right up there), the formerly "good" journals (do they think we are all idiots that ONLY papers with "approved" conclusions are published -- Let's forget about Surgisphere. Luckily the data tables that accompany some of the papers tell the true story, but what doctor is going to go searching through Appendix 3 to discover the conclusions are a lie?), and of course, the scientific/academic institutions which have virtually all failed at basic science.
The question is what do us handful of folks DO about this? You are credible and there are others of us whose credibility adds. But if tens of thousands of doctors signing the GBD (whether you did nor didn't, I am sure you mostly agreed and it has proven out) does not help, what alternate do we take? A new, better interpreter for doctors that they might be able to trust? Give up?
It seems to me that this is the key issue. It is a shame you never read your comments.
it's worse, because the few doctors that have earned the right to be trusted have been banished, tarred and feathered. We need to get government and bureaucrats out of medicine and reduce "public health" to public service announcements. Anything less will ensure a repeat performance because the institutions cannot handle dissent.
same argument if not better to use Ivermectin and HCQ, they are cheap, extremely safe and probably help (and now we know almost certainly help if used as per FLCCC guidelines)
You are spot on: virtue signaling more important than interpreting studies. I feel blessed that I followed you early on during the pandemic. I can’t interpret data like you but I’m good at picking wise persons to follow!
Yep us worker bees don’t have the time or energy often enough to delve into the data and rely on experts like Vinay. After numerous 12 hr ER shifts in a row, I am exhausted and the last thing I want to do is read stats. Irresponsible? Maybe. I plea the 5th. Just doing the best I can.
Question - Are there courses in Experimental Design or Regression Analysis included in the typical (if such a thing exists) med school curriculum? If not, are these topics important enough to the intelligent practice of medicine to displace other classes?
Agree but can't expect an MPH to be thrown into the medical school curriculum. And let's face it, many with research training also failed epically, which really gets to the heart of the matter. We depend on the federal public health institutions for guidance on these issues. The buck stops with them and with partisan political leadership who appointed and influenced them.
Vinay, It is really the medical establishment that has led this catastrophe. Most doctors do not have the mindset or statistical training to sort the wheat from the chaff. They rely on a few trusted sources to, they believe, do that for them. It is the trusted sources that have failed: The professional associations (The AAP in particular -- they should be disbanded in shame, but the AMA/JAMA are right up there), the formerly "good" journals (do they think we are all idiots that ONLY papers with "approved" conclusions are published -- Let's forget about Surgisphere. Luckily the data tables that accompany some of the papers tell the true story, but what doctor is going to go searching through Appendix 3 to discover the conclusions are a lie?), and of course, the scientific/academic institutions which have virtually all failed at basic science.
The question is what do us handful of folks DO about this? You are credible and there are others of us whose credibility adds. But if tens of thousands of doctors signing the GBD (whether you did nor didn't, I am sure you mostly agreed and it has proven out) does not help, what alternate do we take? A new, better interpreter for doctors that they might be able to trust? Give up?
It seems to me that this is the key issue. It is a shame you never read your comments.
it's worse, because the few doctors that have earned the right to be trusted have been banished, tarred and feathered. We need to get government and bureaucrats out of medicine and reduce "public health" to public service announcements. Anything less will ensure a repeat performance because the institutions cannot handle dissent.
same argument if not better to use Ivermectin and HCQ, they are cheap, extremely safe and probably help (and now we know almost certainly help if used as per FLCCC guidelines)
You are spot on: virtue signaling more important than interpreting studies. I feel blessed that I followed you early on during the pandemic. I can’t interpret data like you but I’m good at picking wise persons to follow!
Yep us worker bees don’t have the time or energy often enough to delve into the data and rely on experts like Vinay. After numerous 12 hr ER shifts in a row, I am exhausted and the last thing I want to do is read stats. Irresponsible? Maybe. I plea the 5th. Just doing the best I can.
Question - Are there courses in Experimental Design or Regression Analysis included in the typical (if such a thing exists) med school curriculum? If not, are these topics important enough to the intelligent practice of medicine to displace other classes?
Agree but can't expect an MPH to be thrown into the medical school curriculum. And let's face it, many with research training also failed epically, which really gets to the heart of the matter. We depend on the federal public health institutions for guidance on these issues. The buck stops with them and with partisan political leadership who appointed and influenced them.
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