Vinay : we need to accept that in our profession - Medicine- and the environment we work at - Academia- we are in a clear minority. Decades of indoctrination at Academic institutions and peer organizations, systemic lack of training on critical appraisal skills and many other competing priorities have created an ecosystem where doctors in general are easy manipulated,question little and arrogant programed just to follow the herd. This is a perfect environment, almost by design ! Of what the left wants. We have a mammoth task ahead in keep speaking the truth and trying to bring light - and TRUST- to our profession. As AAP active member , I have my share of experience and reject, but will keep up the FIGHT ! For science , the truth.
Still living in the 60s and 70s when some of us were on campus and those that were the most left leaning and loudest are not teaching or running college campuses in this country. The only difference is that you could have a civil discussion back then with most. The ones that did not want to discuss are now ruining our institutions of higher learning. And it has filtered down to the lower levels of education. Can hope that it changes back starting now.
I think "back then" there were normal liberal-thinkers and conservative-thinkers. Those liberals and their offspring have been inducted in the cult of progressivism and indoctrinated into the belief of "woke".
I certainly hope we can change to where we can have civil discussion when we differ, but so far that seems not likely to happen. There are a few on the left like AOC who seem to be asking the questions about what happened in the election, but the majority are spewing hatred and denigrating the people who didn’t vote for Kamala, as if the only reason possible was sexism, racism etc. I’ve seen this now for 8 years on social media in groups that purport to welcome all women physicians, but espouse any conservative view and you get excoriated. So people shut up or leave and they become an echo chamber. They are congratulating themselves for their higher moral ground, because they voted for the rights of women, and can’t believe we could be smart enough to be doctors, that we can take care of patients (although after the election they were asking if it was okay to not treat MAGA people), that there could be any legitimate reason to vote for Trump. And the few that try to engage end up with threats against them. I long for the days of civil discussion. You van learn a lot from someone who thinks differently than you.
Harris not going to JRE says everything you need to know about why she was a bad candidate. It’s like conceding before the election. Tough with Putin but afraid of a guy with a popular podcast?
My only disagreement is that I don't regard sycophants of Big Pharma and major media narratives to be "far left". Domination of institutions and government by powerful corporate entities is actually a characteristic of "far right".
Like it is oft said - some problems fix themselves. Indeed democrats are rigid and fragile for some reason when it comes to disagreement. This seems to be a glitch in human psychology or values - like their validation is primarily external or they are self centered, arrogant and controlling.
The good news is that some far left people understand. Soon after the election, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez did an Instagram live video in which she emphasized the importance of working in coalition with people who we may not agree with about every single thing. I suspect she may have been referring to those who refused to vote for Harris because she was unable to magically fix Gaza.
She also asked her constituents why they voted for her and Trump. That must have blown her mind. The answers were interesting - both care about the working class and some people just wanted a change to the last 4 years and thought Trump could deliver. I don't think Gaza was a big part of it.
I am trying to discourage friends and colleagues from embracing the idiotic standard “No discussion unless 100.00% agreement”. How can we encourage others to have discussion again?
It seems to me just more like that Kamala is profoundly incompetent (her record shows this) especially with people.
If you want to start writing like a tabloid, go for it. Not gonna win my respect. You're starting to use propagandaese, which makes me think you're becoming as captured as the rest of them.
As for your general support of Musk, I would point out that he willingly sits next to Netanyahu, who is definitely both a colonizer (not a leftist idea, an actual factual thing) and committing genocide (there is no argument here, sorry). Your general support for him is noted.
There is plenty of argument about the "genocide" in Gaza, sorry. It's not happening. And when you claim that Bibi is a "colonizer" you lose all credibility.
I mean, just be honest and say you hate Jews. Don't be a coward.
Now, I'm interested in your sources -- from a non-Zionist, objective entity that isn't entirely sold out to the Israeli/AIPAC takeover of the U.S. government?
Your position -- parroting the propaganda of Netanyahu's "Greater Israel" government -- is opposed by every human rights organization, every humanitarian assistance organization, the International Court of Justice, the International Criminal Court, the EU, and virtually every government in the world. The United Nations represents the world and the world rejects Israel's policies, which the ICC has designated as war crimes in Gaza. Yesterday 170 countries vs 6 voted for Palestinian self-determination.
I'm pretty sure that me saying that there is no genocide in Gaza and that Israel is not a "colonizer" is not parroting anything. There are a lot of well-informed people around the world who feel the same way. One can be appalled by the ongoing war and its casualties, but most people can recognize the subhuman scum that massacred innocent men, women and children on the 7th of October as the actual villains here.
Every single one of those "esteemed" organizations you mentioned are guilty of anti-Jew bias and antisemitism. How many of them condemned the wanton slaughter of Muslims by Bashar Assad? The UN, once founded as a noble enterprise, has devolved into an absolute joke--witness the Taliban being invited to an upcoming UN climate conference. They represent no one in the world.
I respect the work of MSF, but that does not mean that they are immune from anti Jew bias.
The only group I identify with is American. Israel has always defended itself and never attacked de novo without provocation. Genocide is the attempt to murder a population based on race, ethnicity or nationality and does not apply to homicidal maniacs of a political and military body. Obviously Hamas is hiding behind innocent Palestinians as a marketing tactic to promote their cause, which is the ultimate source of the barbarism and crimes against humanity. The best way through this bloody mess is a decisive and total rout of Hamas by Israel, which the current administration has caused to drag things out due to weakness and politics. Finally, most global institutions cited above are not convincing as they have been coopted for quite some time, a la for example WHO declaring covid wasn't human to human transmissible. I can't think of a single international organization, other than Rotary International, that hasn't lost its collective mind.
Vinay : we need to accept that in our profession - Medicine- and the environment we work at - Academia- we are in a clear minority. Decades of indoctrination at Academic institutions and peer organizations, systemic lack of training on critical appraisal skills and many other competing priorities have created an ecosystem where doctors in general are easy manipulated,question little and arrogant programed just to follow the herd. This is a perfect environment, almost by design ! Of what the left wants. We have a mammoth task ahead in keep speaking the truth and trying to bring light - and TRUST- to our profession. As AAP active member , I have my share of experience and reject, but will keep up the FIGHT ! For science , the truth.
These are people who can only exist living in an echo chamber.
Still living in the 60s and 70s when some of us were on campus and those that were the most left leaning and loudest are not teaching or running college campuses in this country. The only difference is that you could have a civil discussion back then with most. The ones that did not want to discuss are now ruining our institutions of higher learning. And it has filtered down to the lower levels of education. Can hope that it changes back starting now.
I think "back then" there were normal liberal-thinkers and conservative-thinkers. Those liberals and their offspring have been inducted in the cult of progressivism and indoctrinated into the belief of "woke".
I certainly hope we can change to where we can have civil discussion when we differ, but so far that seems not likely to happen. There are a few on the left like AOC who seem to be asking the questions about what happened in the election, but the majority are spewing hatred and denigrating the people who didn’t vote for Kamala, as if the only reason possible was sexism, racism etc. I’ve seen this now for 8 years on social media in groups that purport to welcome all women physicians, but espouse any conservative view and you get excoriated. So people shut up or leave and they become an echo chamber. They are congratulating themselves for their higher moral ground, because they voted for the rights of women, and can’t believe we could be smart enough to be doctors, that we can take care of patients (although after the election they were asking if it was okay to not treat MAGA people), that there could be any legitimate reason to vote for Trump. And the few that try to engage end up with threats against them. I long for the days of civil discussion. You van learn a lot from someone who thinks differently than you.
Harris not going to JRE says everything you need to know about why she was a bad candidate. It’s like conceding before the election. Tough with Putin but afraid of a guy with a popular podcast?
My only disagreement is that I don't regard sycophants of Big Pharma and major media narratives to be "far left". Domination of institutions and government by powerful corporate entities is actually a characteristic of "far right".
The ego is an amazing, self-preserving thing.
Like it is oft said - some problems fix themselves. Indeed democrats are rigid and fragile for some reason when it comes to disagreement. This seems to be a glitch in human psychology or values - like their validation is primarily external or they are self centered, arrogant and controlling.
The good news is that some far left people understand. Soon after the election, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez did an Instagram live video in which she emphasized the importance of working in coalition with people who we may not agree with about every single thing. I suspect she may have been referring to those who refused to vote for Harris because she was unable to magically fix Gaza.
She also asked her constituents why they voted for her and Trump. That must have blown her mind. The answers were interesting - both care about the working class and some people just wanted a change to the last 4 years and thought Trump could deliver. I don't think Gaza was a big part of it.
In all honesty, Twitter seems kinda like eating candy, so no loss. Presumably Bluesky is the same.
But you do have a point about the timing.....
Too funny! You're a Trip Vanay. Love it!
I am trying to discourage friends and colleagues from embracing the idiotic standard “No discussion unless 100.00% agreement”. How can we encourage others to have discussion again?
Personally, I doubt that any of these are „far left“ (maybe in the meaning of a liberal Democrat spectrum).
How is this "far left" ideology?
It seems to me just more like that Kamala is profoundly incompetent (her record shows this) especially with people.
If you want to start writing like a tabloid, go for it. Not gonna win my respect. You're starting to use propagandaese, which makes me think you're becoming as captured as the rest of them.
As for your general support of Musk, I would point out that he willingly sits next to Netanyahu, who is definitely both a colonizer (not a leftist idea, an actual factual thing) and committing genocide (there is no argument here, sorry). Your general support for him is noted.
There is plenty of argument about the "genocide" in Gaza, sorry. It's not happening. And when you claim that Bibi is a "colonizer" you lose all credibility.
I mean, just be honest and say you hate Jews. Don't be a coward.
Here it is, from the very organization that created the Zionist state in the first place:
"The developments in this report lead the Special Committee to conclude that the
policies and practices of Israel during the reporting period are consistent with the
characteristics of genocide. The targeting of Palestinians as a group; the life -
threatening conditions imposed on Palestinians in Gaza through warfare and
restrictions on humanitarian aid – resulting in physical destruction, increased
miscarriages and stillbirths – and the killing of and serious bodily or mental harm
caused to Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem,
are violations under international law. Civilians have been indiscriminately and
disproportionally killed en masse in Gaza, while in the occupied West Bank, including
East Jerusalem, Israeli colonial settlers, military and security personnel have
continued to violate human rights and humanitarian law with impunity."
Source: https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n24/271/19/pdf/n2427119.pdf
Now, I'm interested in your sources -- from a non-Zionist, objective entity that isn't entirely sold out to the Israeli/AIPAC takeover of the U.S. government?
I'm not interested in "credibility" from people who are unable to process basic reality.
The fact that you go straight to antisemitism without any substantiating facts says it all.
You cite a UN document? The UN, a notoriously corrupt and anti--Israel collection of worthless pus-filled bureaucrats?
My sources are reality. Which I'm sure you think is controlled by the Jews--I mean, Zionists.
Again--quit being a coward.
Your position -- parroting the propaganda of Netanyahu's "Greater Israel" government -- is opposed by every human rights organization, every humanitarian assistance organization, the International Court of Justice, the International Criminal Court, the EU, and virtually every government in the world. The United Nations represents the world and the world rejects Israel's policies, which the ICC has designated as war crimes in Gaza. Yesterday 170 countries vs 6 voted for Palestinian self-determination.
By the way, since this is a medically-oriented site, the opinions of groups like MSF are relevant: https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/msf-statement-israeli-authorities-blocking-medical-evacuation-eight-children-injured-gaza
I'm pretty sure that me saying that there is no genocide in Gaza and that Israel is not a "colonizer" is not parroting anything. There are a lot of well-informed people around the world who feel the same way. One can be appalled by the ongoing war and its casualties, but most people can recognize the subhuman scum that massacred innocent men, women and children on the 7th of October as the actual villains here.
Every single one of those "esteemed" organizations you mentioned are guilty of anti-Jew bias and antisemitism. How many of them condemned the wanton slaughter of Muslims by Bashar Assad? The UN, once founded as a noble enterprise, has devolved into an absolute joke--witness the Taliban being invited to an upcoming UN climate conference. They represent no one in the world.
I respect the work of MSF, but that does not mean that they are immune from anti Jew bias.
The only group I identify with is American. Israel has always defended itself and never attacked de novo without provocation. Genocide is the attempt to murder a population based on race, ethnicity or nationality and does not apply to homicidal maniacs of a political and military body. Obviously Hamas is hiding behind innocent Palestinians as a marketing tactic to promote their cause, which is the ultimate source of the barbarism and crimes against humanity. The best way through this bloody mess is a decisive and total rout of Hamas by Israel, which the current administration has caused to drag things out due to weakness and politics. Finally, most global institutions cited above are not convincing as they have been coopted for quite some time, a la for example WHO declaring covid wasn't human to human transmissible. I can't think of a single international organization, other than Rotary International, that hasn't lost its collective mind.