"I know what it is like to make medical decisions without perfect evidence". Can the rest of us join this club?
It has been repeatedly pointed out that a child in the USA gets near 70 doses of various vaccines. They contain or have contained known neurotoxins like aluminum, mercury and formaldehyde in various doses as well as other products not studied for safety.
A temporal association between vaccination and the onset of autism-like symptoms has also been repeatedly reported.
It has to be clear by now that a proper safety and efficacy study has never been done on any of these products.
How do you do a safety study ethically on a newborn that gets a Hep B shot on their first day of life?
On what planet should a newborn be given anything remotely cytotoxic?
When will this madness stop?
I wonder what study, evidence, or even imperfect evidence would convince you that vaccines are complicit in the increasing neurological disorders in children.
How many participants? Double blind placebo controlled? What products? Aluminum dosage? Mercury dosage? Who will offer up their children for this study?
What convinces YOU there IS a problem? The industry can always produce results showing there is not a problem mostly by just out right lying about it.
You have been keen to point out when an industry study misleads the medical profession and the public. What sort of a result would prove to you, definitively, that vaccines are causative in what is called autism. Also, look at childhood onset diabetes and allergy/chemical sensitivity. And now of course myocarditis.
Of course this "evidence" will never appear. In the meantime, can you at least exercise some wisdom here as in, "if you inject people with known toxins and they present with the effects of toxic exposure, maybe this practice should stop."
That's my philosophy. Feel free to adopt it as your own.
Dr. Paul Thomas did a study of the children in his practice who were and were not vaccinated. His findings were to to be expected. He rarely saw the patients who didn’t receive the shots whereas the vaccinated ones were seen frequently. The children who had been vaccinated had a myriad of health conditions many chronic. He published this study but of course it lead to him losing his medical license in Oregon. He wrote the book The Vaccine Friendly Plan but has subsequently said he changed his mind and children should get zero vaccines. He has a new book coming out next month. Thank you!
As long as the evidence is generated in a trial sponsored by the very company that stands to profit hugely from its result, the system is inherently flawed.
The evaluation of any drug must be done by an independent agency like the Consumer Reports. Also, all the raw data of the trial must be immediately published for examination by independent researchers (unlike the 75 years that FDA wanted for releasing Covid vaccine trial data).
Each drug must be marked by a letter A, B, C etc to indicate the degree of testing it has undergone and how it ranks on the safety and efficacy scale. Those letters can be changed after more evidence is gathered. Older and more proven drugs can thus get a better grade and a newly patented (and overpriced) drug cannot easily replace them through heavy marketing.
What you all may not know is that RFK, Jr. is lining up the best of the best in functional and integrative medicine and holistic medicine to be on his team. Some names that come to mind are Dr. Casey Means, a Stanford graduate and her brother Calley Means who left big Pharma because of their shenanigans. They wrote the book Good Energy if you are curious about them. Then Dr. James Lyons’s-Weiler is an accomplished scientist who partnered with Dr. Paul Thomas doing the study comparing children who did and didn’t get vaccinated. He is a brilliant scientist. Doctors are lining up to work with RFK, Jr. to advance the health of this nation. There are many more that are in the process of being screened. Just know that Mr. Kennedy is on the ball! And let’s pray that he gets confirmed!
I read your stack for straightforward opinions and analysis. This article is fantastic overview of our situation.
Your stack the other day with a simple metric for thinking about any health proposal, and specifically RFK Jr's, by comparing the proposal to what other countries do was genius!
I very much appreciate your thoughtful analysis and especially your efforts to be objective.
However, I think your position on MMR and autism may not be quite as objective as the rest of your perspective. You say that the link many perceive with MMR and autism is a "false safety signal." Can we please discuss this in more detail?
I started following you and ZDog during the COVID craziness as a sane voice amid the chaos. I am retired after 40+ years in healthcare (RN) and agree with almost everything you say and I respect you even where we disagree… thanks everso for your essays and keep em comin!
If i had it to do over, after what we have been through, id get zero shots. Tetanus is scary, but what we have been through is hell on earth. I would rather lose a child to measles than live on in this hell. There are not words. I hope it wasnt the shots. I now have a glimmer of hope that we will know in my lifetime if it was the shots, but no matter i will be better off dead than living as i do now. My son may feel this way as well once he enters poverty, which seems inevitable on our current trajectory. I cannot earn enough to pay for his care for his lifetime. I could burn money to keep warm and save more than i do now. If the CDC denied the truth, then may every “scientist” who promoted these shots burn in hell.
Is there not innately less bias in something that is less financially lucrative? For example, i have seen the functional medicine community furiously debate various forms of b12, no one benefits financially from this conflict. Doesnt that imply authenticity (if not evidence)?
If any of you want to know what happened to the vaccines and autism connection, I suggest you read the excellent book Follow the Science by Sharyl Attkisson who is an investigative reporter who does her homework. She covers this topic in minute detail. Lots of other valuable information as well on important current topics.
Everyone is spitballing. Give him a chance. Please, i beg you, advise on the trial you would run if you were trying to improve a new vaccine drug. You can do it. No one else can do this and merit honesty. But YOU CAN.
Helpful summarization. I think RFKJ might do alright. Self-aware enough to understand his limitations, which are legion, and willing to take guidance. I like his passion for healthy food and outing corruption. Probably weak on academic integrity with his unfamiliarity with the research industry and scientific investigation. But maybe HHS needs a Trump-like loosely-tethered cannon. I agree you’d like someone better with more regulatory broken bones and up-close familiarity with the stink of the inside game.
I disagree with your statement that Mr. Kennedy is weak on academic integrity and is unfamiliar with the research industry and scientific investigations. Have you read any of his books? I suggest you are misinformed and would benefit from taking a peak at a few of them. He has a wealth of knowledge that you might learn a great deal from. Please don’t underestimate him! Thank you!
My question: can we not do better? Is there not anyone in this large country of ours who’s capable of running HHS, and who understands the corruption and food issues, but who also understands evidence-based medicine and evaluating data? I bet there is someone, but I do understand the fear that a Bobby replacement might be more of the same corruption we’ve had forever.....
RFK, Jr. understands evidence -based medicine as he clearly shows in all of the well referenced books he has written, the founding and running of Children’s Health Defense, litigation agains Monsanto and other huge entities and winning cases involving cancer. Just because he doesn’t have an MD after his name doesn’t mean he lacks this knowledge. He is a brilliant scholar and a very well researched scientist. I do wish you would debate him about vaccines and autism to show the world what he is capable of. I saw him debate Alan Dershowitz a few years ago and it was amazing. Please don’t underestimate this man.
I also encourage you all to watch the movie VAXXED III that was produced by Children’s Health Defense. It is free on their website and a stunning example of why we desperately need RFK, Jr. to be confirmed. He really has the depth of knowledge to know what they did to this country during the pandemic and it is evident in the stories shared in this powerful documentary.
I certainly am not a practitioner of evidence-based medicine, and can’t really speak to the minutiae, but don’t most believers in EBM agree that childhood vaccines are not the cause of autism? And that nobody knows what causes autism?
That is what they want you to think but there are many EBM practitioners who know that vaccines causes autism in susceptible individuals. The CDC even found that they caused autism in young AA males but threw out that data to hide the results of that study. And many do know what causes autism but you’ll never hear that in mainstream media circles. I cannot go into detail now but much has been written on this topic. That’s why I think it would be good if Dr. P and RFK, Jr. held a debate. You all could learn from an expert and I mean Mr. Kennedy. Meanwhile watch VAXXED I and II and III.
Ah, that is what THEY want you to think! The scoundrels. Also, Jay Bhattacharya, not known in mainstream media circles, having been shadow banned during the pandemic, and called a “fringe epidemiologist” by the likes of Fauci/Collins, has said repeatedly on his videos, that nobody knows what causes autism. Just ask him, he’ll tell you.
I know who he is! I followed them all very closely because I wanted to see what was going on. I don’t know why he says that unless he is just parroting what some of his colleagues like Paul Offit say. I worked my entire career in developmental disabilities so I followed the autism vaccine connection carefully. They are going to fight this tooth and nail, but I still say vaccines cause autism in susceptible individuals. I have stacks of books I can share with you to back up my claims. But get RFK, Jr. here and he will spout this information off the top of his head.
He seems to be at least partially to blame for a 2019 measles epidemic in Samoa, which killed 83 people, mostly children. During the outbreak, unvaccinated Samoans quickly changed their minds, and hung red flags outside their houses, indicating that they wanted to be vaccinated. It’s hard to come back from that sort of event and seem common sense. That’s why I suspect we can do better. He’s right that we’re not feeding children properly. I regret that we made fun of Michelle Obama back when she was saying the same thing.
I dont know what happened in samoa and i dont care. They have to own their own decisions. I wish i could go back and decline every single vaccine, because then i would know with complete certainty this hell I live in is not of my own making, at least for that reason. God i wish i could just say “eff off” instead of “yes”. But i cannot, and it is what it is. There is no way anyone could live my life and say losing a child to measles would be worse. NFW. And while i have never suspected vaccines were our main cause, i never knew how $hitty the testing was until rfk pointed it out. 5 days? 7 days?? Are you kidding me? What a joke.
I question what really happened in Samoa and will investigate. I know they stopped Michelle Obama but more concerning was when they voted not to allow labeling of GMO food products. A lot of money was spent on both sides trying to get this either passed or stopped, and I think somehow they are all related.
Yeah she got “redirected” hard. Very sad. Did you ever watch katie couric’s documentary? Pizza is a vegetable. I will never forget that one. Like, witaf.
Vinay,
"I know what it is like to make medical decisions without perfect evidence". Can the rest of us join this club?
It has been repeatedly pointed out that a child in the USA gets near 70 doses of various vaccines. They contain or have contained known neurotoxins like aluminum, mercury and formaldehyde in various doses as well as other products not studied for safety.
A temporal association between vaccination and the onset of autism-like symptoms has also been repeatedly reported.
It has to be clear by now that a proper safety and efficacy study has never been done on any of these products.
How do you do a safety study ethically on a newborn that gets a Hep B shot on their first day of life?
On what planet should a newborn be given anything remotely cytotoxic?
When will this madness stop?
I wonder what study, evidence, or even imperfect evidence would convince you that vaccines are complicit in the increasing neurological disorders in children.
How many participants? Double blind placebo controlled? What products? Aluminum dosage? Mercury dosage? Who will offer up their children for this study?
What convinces YOU there IS a problem? The industry can always produce results showing there is not a problem mostly by just out right lying about it.
You have been keen to point out when an industry study misleads the medical profession and the public. What sort of a result would prove to you, definitively, that vaccines are causative in what is called autism. Also, look at childhood onset diabetes and allergy/chemical sensitivity. And now of course myocarditis.
Of course this "evidence" will never appear. In the meantime, can you at least exercise some wisdom here as in, "if you inject people with known toxins and they present with the effects of toxic exposure, maybe this practice should stop."
That's my philosophy. Feel free to adopt it as your own.
What settles this?
Dr. Paul Thomas did a study of the children in his practice who were and were not vaccinated. His findings were to to be expected. He rarely saw the patients who didn’t receive the shots whereas the vaccinated ones were seen frequently. The children who had been vaccinated had a myriad of health conditions many chronic. He published this study but of course it lead to him losing his medical license in Oregon. He wrote the book The Vaccine Friendly Plan but has subsequently said he changed his mind and children should get zero vaccines. He has a new book coming out next month. Thank you!
Being a parent is to constantly make [medical] decisions without perfect evidence ❤
As long as the evidence is generated in a trial sponsored by the very company that stands to profit hugely from its result, the system is inherently flawed.
The evaluation of any drug must be done by an independent agency like the Consumer Reports. Also, all the raw data of the trial must be immediately published for examination by independent researchers (unlike the 75 years that FDA wanted for releasing Covid vaccine trial data).
Each drug must be marked by a letter A, B, C etc to indicate the degree of testing it has undergone and how it ranks on the safety and efficacy scale. Those letters can be changed after more evidence is gathered. Older and more proven drugs can thus get a better grade and a newly patented (and overpriced) drug cannot easily replace them through heavy marketing.
What you all may not know is that RFK, Jr. is lining up the best of the best in functional and integrative medicine and holistic medicine to be on his team. Some names that come to mind are Dr. Casey Means, a Stanford graduate and her brother Calley Means who left big Pharma because of their shenanigans. They wrote the book Good Energy if you are curious about them. Then Dr. James Lyons’s-Weiler is an accomplished scientist who partnered with Dr. Paul Thomas doing the study comparing children who did and didn’t get vaccinated. He is a brilliant scientist. Doctors are lining up to work with RFK, Jr. to advance the health of this nation. There are many more that are in the process of being screened. Just know that Mr. Kennedy is on the ball! And let’s pray that he gets confirmed!
Vinay! Call RFK. You can help. We need your voice. Who among us can connect RFK and Vinay? At least worth a try!
I suggest it on X almost every day
I read your stack for straightforward opinions and analysis. This article is fantastic overview of our situation.
Your stack the other day with a simple metric for thinking about any health proposal, and specifically RFK Jr's, by comparing the proposal to what other countries do was genius!
These two articles together are fantastic!
I very much appreciate your thoughtful analysis and especially your efforts to be objective.
However, I think your position on MMR and autism may not be quite as objective as the rest of your perspective. You say that the link many perceive with MMR and autism is a "false safety signal." Can we please discuss this in more detail?
Vinay!
I started following you and ZDog during the COVID craziness as a sane voice amid the chaos. I am retired after 40+ years in healthcare (RN) and agree with almost everything you say and I respect you even where we disagree… thanks everso for your essays and keep em comin!
If i had it to do over, after what we have been through, id get zero shots. Tetanus is scary, but what we have been through is hell on earth. I would rather lose a child to measles than live on in this hell. There are not words. I hope it wasnt the shots. I now have a glimmer of hope that we will know in my lifetime if it was the shots, but no matter i will be better off dead than living as i do now. My son may feel this way as well once he enters poverty, which seems inevitable on our current trajectory. I cannot earn enough to pay for his care for his lifetime. I could burn money to keep warm and save more than i do now. If the CDC denied the truth, then may every “scientist” who promoted these shots burn in hell.
Is there not innately less bias in something that is less financially lucrative? For example, i have seen the functional medicine community furiously debate various forms of b12, no one benefits financially from this conflict. Doesnt that imply authenticity (if not evidence)?
If any of you want to know what happened to the vaccines and autism connection, I suggest you read the excellent book Follow the Science by Sharyl Attkisson who is an investigative reporter who does her homework. She covers this topic in minute detail. Lots of other valuable information as well on important current topics.
Everyone is spitballing. Give him a chance. Please, i beg you, advise on the trial you would run if you were trying to improve a new vaccine drug. You can do it. No one else can do this and merit honesty. But YOU CAN.
Helpful summarization. I think RFKJ might do alright. Self-aware enough to understand his limitations, which are legion, and willing to take guidance. I like his passion for healthy food and outing corruption. Probably weak on academic integrity with his unfamiliarity with the research industry and scientific investigation. But maybe HHS needs a Trump-like loosely-tethered cannon. I agree you’d like someone better with more regulatory broken bones and up-close familiarity with the stink of the inside game.
I disagree with your statement that Mr. Kennedy is weak on academic integrity and is unfamiliar with the research industry and scientific investigations. Have you read any of his books? I suggest you are misinformed and would benefit from taking a peak at a few of them. He has a wealth of knowledge that you might learn a great deal from. Please don’t underestimate him! Thank you!
You are just great:
"I have lectured at Genentech and Pfizer, but I packed a thermos of coffee and fasted all day to avoid any conflict. I did use the water fountain."
Am just picturing the side eyes you got at the lovely catered lunch.
My question: can we not do better? Is there not anyone in this large country of ours who’s capable of running HHS, and who understands the corruption and food issues, but who also understands evidence-based medicine and evaluating data? I bet there is someone, but I do understand the fear that a Bobby replacement might be more of the same corruption we’ve had forever.....
RFK, Jr. understands evidence -based medicine as he clearly shows in all of the well referenced books he has written, the founding and running of Children’s Health Defense, litigation agains Monsanto and other huge entities and winning cases involving cancer. Just because he doesn’t have an MD after his name doesn’t mean he lacks this knowledge. He is a brilliant scholar and a very well researched scientist. I do wish you would debate him about vaccines and autism to show the world what he is capable of. I saw him debate Alan Dershowitz a few years ago and it was amazing. Please don’t underestimate this man.
I also encourage you all to watch the movie VAXXED III that was produced by Children’s Health Defense. It is free on their website and a stunning example of why we desperately need RFK, Jr. to be confirmed. He really has the depth of knowledge to know what they did to this country during the pandemic and it is evident in the stories shared in this powerful documentary.
I certainly am not a practitioner of evidence-based medicine, and can’t really speak to the minutiae, but don’t most believers in EBM agree that childhood vaccines are not the cause of autism? And that nobody knows what causes autism?
That is what they want you to think but there are many EBM practitioners who know that vaccines causes autism in susceptible individuals. The CDC even found that they caused autism in young AA males but threw out that data to hide the results of that study. And many do know what causes autism but you’ll never hear that in mainstream media circles. I cannot go into detail now but much has been written on this topic. That’s why I think it would be good if Dr. P and RFK, Jr. held a debate. You all could learn from an expert and I mean Mr. Kennedy. Meanwhile watch VAXXED I and II and III.
Ah, that is what THEY want you to think! The scoundrels. Also, Jay Bhattacharya, not known in mainstream media circles, having been shadow banned during the pandemic, and called a “fringe epidemiologist” by the likes of Fauci/Collins, has said repeatedly on his videos, that nobody knows what causes autism. Just ask him, he’ll tell you.
I know who he is! I followed them all very closely because I wanted to see what was going on. I don’t know why he says that unless he is just parroting what some of his colleagues like Paul Offit say. I worked my entire career in developmental disabilities so I followed the autism vaccine connection carefully. They are going to fight this tooth and nail, but I still say vaccines cause autism in susceptible individuals. I have stacks of books I can share with you to back up my claims. But get RFK, Jr. here and he will spout this information off the top of his head.
I dunno but i LOVE him. Hes so common sense its insane.
He seems to be at least partially to blame for a 2019 measles epidemic in Samoa, which killed 83 people, mostly children. During the outbreak, unvaccinated Samoans quickly changed their minds, and hung red flags outside their houses, indicating that they wanted to be vaccinated. It’s hard to come back from that sort of event and seem common sense. That’s why I suspect we can do better. He’s right that we’re not feeding children properly. I regret that we made fun of Michelle Obama back when she was saying the same thing.
I dont know what happened in samoa and i dont care. They have to own their own decisions. I wish i could go back and decline every single vaccine, because then i would know with complete certainty this hell I live in is not of my own making, at least for that reason. God i wish i could just say “eff off” instead of “yes”. But i cannot, and it is what it is. There is no way anyone could live my life and say losing a child to measles would be worse. NFW. And while i have never suspected vaccines were our main cause, i never knew how $hitty the testing was until rfk pointed it out. 5 days? 7 days?? Are you kidding me? What a joke.
I question what really happened in Samoa and will investigate. I know they stopped Michelle Obama but more concerning was when they voted not to allow labeling of GMO food products. A lot of money was spent on both sides trying to get this either passed or stopped, and I think somehow they are all related.
Yeah she got “redirected” hard. Very sad. Did you ever watch katie couric’s documentary? Pizza is a vegetable. I will never forget that one. Like, witaf.
Vinay,
Please read this post by Steve Kirsch. And give us your take and if possible prove that he is wrong about the vaccine-autism link.
https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/over-300-pages-of-evidence-from-the?r=yqvrl&utm_medium=ios
Great job on Megyn Kelly today. Always appreciate seeing you and hearing your perspectives across platforms