IMO, after decades of the mainstream being sort of like "oh, everyone knows how whacky colleges are" now needs to be understood as "oh, crap, the extreme left's long-term tactic of academic and mind takeover has yielded near-entire rot inside a major element of American life and we can no longer pretend this is just a fringe effect".
Ad hominem attacks like the Shapiro tweets are in poor taste and imo show poor judgement. Does he have a “right” to post them? Sure. And his Board has the right to do as they see fit. Social media can be a great public square, but functions best when common sense civil discourse is followed. Disagreement w my views encouraged.
I am the past physician president of Austin Heart. It is a very large practice There are probably 100 cv providers by now ( I medically retired in 2016 and had hired 40 myself, interviewing about 150 for those positions- that is another story). We had very long discussions about social media etc. with the physicians. This physician is clearly a chucklehead and my guess is he never made payroll where he was responsible for paying others before he paid himself.
The bottom line is this. If you are an employee at any level, your actions can effect your employer in a positive or negative way. We told our docs they can go to any event or march as long as they do not wear a shirt with our logo on it. If it was a medical event and we supported it (championship hearts screens of high school athletes for HCM for example) that is one thing. Otherwise street clothes.
Social media has changed everything. Physicians could be total chuckleheads in their private life and everyone except the patients and the staff knew about it. That is their right.
With social media broadcasting their views worldwide and in an instant. they are wearing their institution logo at all times. People have to decide if hitting send is worth their livelihood.
Physicians are EXPLICITY AND IN WRITING told this when they join the practice.
This physician would have have been terminated for the first (de J;;W) post at our practice or I would have made it very clear that the next one was the strike out. I agree it is not just the content, it is the way it posts that makes it clear.
What are my guideposts for deciding that the posts are a problem? Am I the problem?
It is very simple. In private practice you get a consult at all hours of the day and night and no matter how crazy the consult is, we expect the physicians to say ; "Thank you very much, We really appreciate your support".
We welcome anyone and everyone. Posting about a religion in a potentially derogatory way is not in line with that philosophy.
When he pays the staff before he pays himself === "TWEET or X away"
I don't agree. As long as he pays everyone else first, he can say what he wants? At some point then he has to shut up when sales go down? Behavior should have clear boundaries regardless of whether you can make payroll.
You're right that social media has made it impossible to discuss important topics without risking your job. And that concerns me. There are many issues that need be discussible (politics, religion, abortion, LGBT lessons for Kindergarteners, transitioning minors) outside the office in polite ways that are getting people fired, and that scares me (especially living in Silicon valley where Google doesn't even want a man discussing the fact that their idea of work-life balance - or lack thereof - doesn't meet the needs of moms who want to spend more time bonding with their kids).
Cancel culture is what leads to the idea that we can punish an individual by punishing the employer. It needs to stop. For this one, I guess I'm laughing a little at "karma". Do unto others what you want done to you? Well, he got fired like he wanted others to be and I'm not going to feel bad. But I think the silencing is toxic and unhealthy. Not being able to express oneself leads to stress and anger that gets let out in the wrong ways at the wrong people (likely one's spouse and kids).
He is an employee and he knows the rules. He can find another job.
In the US you have absolute FREEDOM of speech from the government. I have a friend whose son is living in the middle EAST and the wrong speech gets you in jail or worse ;if you are a citizen. it gets you removed as a US citizen. He is told to NEVER EVER discuss politics ever no matter who the person is. Close family will report others
In the US unless you are making prank 911 calls you are free to SAY anything NO matter the offensive nature. It may be offensive to my core but I will defend YOUR right to say it.
If I am your employer and I have told you the rules. then your freedom comes with a risk.
I have freedom to not employ you or associate with you but you will not go to jail.
NO ONE is silencing anyone. If you take a check from someone else you play by their rules. If you are the boss, it is your rules.
Become the boss and do as you wish-and allow your employees the same. That is the beauty of it
The irony is that the guy with big mouth complains when the person who is feeding him tells him the rules.. I was an employee by the way like everyone else.
I had no expectation of blasting my name and my title with the association to my employer and thinking I would remain employed UNLESS they agreed to it.
Cancel culture became an issue because these same nut cases would be upset if a speaker came on to campus, went in a closed room where tickets had to be purchased and blocked a speaker and interested listeners from meeting together. That is insane. How about not buying a ticket?
Unfortunately in the past people said things and others blew it off and it never interfered with commerce. Watch the "Bad News Bears" - original movie- i did with my 8 year old grandson- amazing how it has to be censored now literally. The whole boycott thing is out of control BUT to your point- who started it? Comedians no longer go on campuses for that reason.
Ask Dave Chappelle. He made the mistake of discussing recent events. I think he probably had it right. It is an impossible situation and the recent atrocities made it even more impossible. No matter WHAT he said, no matter how nuanced someone will be MAD.
You CAN EXPRESS yourself. Just do not X or Tweet it to the world, it is too crazy now
Unless on this thread cause we are all reasonable and have respect for each other.. I do sincerely and I thank you for the reply :)
I think "cancel" culture is one of the worst scourges of our time (because it is a complete violation of the spirit of our First Amendment), but can't say I'd disagree with firing Mr. Eisen for his unbelievable racism. I don't care whatever is his race or ethnicity.
Vinay, I appreciate your work and see the irony in this case. Frankly, criticizing Israel in any way or supporting Palestinian rights in any way was the original cancelable offense. Look at Dorothy Thompson, Donald Neff, read Paul Findley's book "They Dare to Speak Out." Politicians, journalists, and academics self-censor on this topic to avoid cancellation. I realize that many people espouse positions critical of Israel AND other (often objectionable) positions, and that foolish people promote both Palestinian rights and cancel culture, but there's no reason to conflate those issues or to allow the foolish people to "own" a whole topic of such great import to world stability, human rights, and US interests.
I’m pretty sure that the first one to call the Democratic Party, the “Democrat Party,” was George W. Bush. Now, I don’t see too many reasons to emulate him, or many of the GOP members who like to refer to the “Democrat Party.” I am just saying. It’s turned into a sort of GOP insult, and it’s not a proper reference.
Amazing. As a long ago academic I just had no idea these days how distorted and unhealthy the environs around “there” are in real time.
Way too many sick people in so called Academia!
Why have anything to do with such madness?
IMO, after decades of the mainstream being sort of like "oh, everyone knows how whacky colleges are" now needs to be understood as "oh, crap, the extreme left's long-term tactic of academic and mind takeover has yielded near-entire rot inside a major element of American life and we can no longer pretend this is just a fringe effect".
Headline should read “Leftist editor meets petard”
Ad hominem attacks like the Shapiro tweets are in poor taste and imo show poor judgement. Does he have a “right” to post them? Sure. And his Board has the right to do as they see fit. Social media can be a great public square, but functions best when common sense civil discourse is followed. Disagreement w my views encouraged.
But Eisen's ad homs are okay?
Eisen is now free to start The Onion University, I wish him all the best for this "worthy" goal.
While not supportive of “cancel culture”, it’s time some others feel what it’s like when the shoe is on the other foot.
Academia was great when it was just themselves slapping each others’ backs.
I am the past physician president of Austin Heart. It is a very large practice There are probably 100 cv providers by now ( I medically retired in 2016 and had hired 40 myself, interviewing about 150 for those positions- that is another story). We had very long discussions about social media etc. with the physicians. This physician is clearly a chucklehead and my guess is he never made payroll where he was responsible for paying others before he paid himself.
The bottom line is this. If you are an employee at any level, your actions can effect your employer in a positive or negative way. We told our docs they can go to any event or march as long as they do not wear a shirt with our logo on it. If it was a medical event and we supported it (championship hearts screens of high school athletes for HCM for example) that is one thing. Otherwise street clothes.
Social media has changed everything. Physicians could be total chuckleheads in their private life and everyone except the patients and the staff knew about it. That is their right.
With social media broadcasting their views worldwide and in an instant. they are wearing their institution logo at all times. People have to decide if hitting send is worth their livelihood.
Physicians are EXPLICITY AND IN WRITING told this when they join the practice.
This physician would have have been terminated for the first (de J;;W) post at our practice or I would have made it very clear that the next one was the strike out. I agree it is not just the content, it is the way it posts that makes it clear.
What are my guideposts for deciding that the posts are a problem? Am I the problem?
It is very simple. In private practice you get a consult at all hours of the day and night and no matter how crazy the consult is, we expect the physicians to say ; "Thank you very much, We really appreciate your support".
We welcome anyone and everyone. Posting about a religion in a potentially derogatory way is not in line with that philosophy.
When he pays the staff before he pays himself === "TWEET or X away"
Matt Phillips
Anyone agree?
I don't agree. As long as he pays everyone else first, he can say what he wants? At some point then he has to shut up when sales go down? Behavior should have clear boundaries regardless of whether you can make payroll.
You're right that social media has made it impossible to discuss important topics without risking your job. And that concerns me. There are many issues that need be discussible (politics, religion, abortion, LGBT lessons for Kindergarteners, transitioning minors) outside the office in polite ways that are getting people fired, and that scares me (especially living in Silicon valley where Google doesn't even want a man discussing the fact that their idea of work-life balance - or lack thereof - doesn't meet the needs of moms who want to spend more time bonding with their kids).
Cancel culture is what leads to the idea that we can punish an individual by punishing the employer. It needs to stop. For this one, I guess I'm laughing a little at "karma". Do unto others what you want done to you? Well, he got fired like he wanted others to be and I'm not going to feel bad. But I think the silencing is toxic and unhealthy. Not being able to express oneself leads to stress and anger that gets let out in the wrong ways at the wrong people (likely one's spouse and kids).
NOPE
He is an employee and he knows the rules. He can find another job.
In the US you have absolute FREEDOM of speech from the government. I have a friend whose son is living in the middle EAST and the wrong speech gets you in jail or worse ;if you are a citizen. it gets you removed as a US citizen. He is told to NEVER EVER discuss politics ever no matter who the person is. Close family will report others
In the US unless you are making prank 911 calls you are free to SAY anything NO matter the offensive nature. It may be offensive to my core but I will defend YOUR right to say it.
If I am your employer and I have told you the rules. then your freedom comes with a risk.
I have freedom to not employ you or associate with you but you will not go to jail.
NO ONE is silencing anyone. If you take a check from someone else you play by their rules. If you are the boss, it is your rules.
Become the boss and do as you wish-and allow your employees the same. That is the beauty of it
The irony is that the guy with big mouth complains when the person who is feeding him tells him the rules.. I was an employee by the way like everyone else.
I had no expectation of blasting my name and my title with the association to my employer and thinking I would remain employed UNLESS they agreed to it.
Cancel culture became an issue because these same nut cases would be upset if a speaker came on to campus, went in a closed room where tickets had to be purchased and blocked a speaker and interested listeners from meeting together. That is insane. How about not buying a ticket?
Unfortunately in the past people said things and others blew it off and it never interfered with commerce. Watch the "Bad News Bears" - original movie- i did with my 8 year old grandson- amazing how it has to be censored now literally. The whole boycott thing is out of control BUT to your point- who started it? Comedians no longer go on campuses for that reason.
Ask Dave Chappelle. He made the mistake of discussing recent events. I think he probably had it right. It is an impossible situation and the recent atrocities made it even more impossible. No matter WHAT he said, no matter how nuanced someone will be MAD.
You CAN EXPRESS yourself. Just do not X or Tweet it to the world, it is too crazy now
Unless on this thread cause we are all reasonable and have respect for each other.. I do sincerely and I thank you for the reply :)
The far left is beginning to consume itself.
You hate to see it!
Feels like there has to be more to this story......
"De-Jew"???
I think "cancel" culture is one of the worst scourges of our time (because it is a complete violation of the spirit of our First Amendment), but can't say I'd disagree with firing Mr. Eisen for his unbelievable racism. I don't care whatever is his race or ethnicity.
Cancel culture (a.k.a., new-age censorship) will always end up eating its own.
Vinay, I appreciate your work and see the irony in this case. Frankly, criticizing Israel in any way or supporting Palestinian rights in any way was the original cancelable offense. Look at Dorothy Thompson, Donald Neff, read Paul Findley's book "They Dare to Speak Out." Politicians, journalists, and academics self-censor on this topic to avoid cancellation. I realize that many people espouse positions critical of Israel AND other (often objectionable) positions, and that foolish people promote both Palestinian rights and cancel culture, but there's no reason to conflate those issues or to allow the foolish people to "own" a whole topic of such great import to world stability, human rights, and US interests.
I’m pretty sure that the first one to call the Democratic Party, the “Democrat Party,” was George W. Bush. Now, I don’t see too many reasons to emulate him, or many of the GOP members who like to refer to the “Democrat Party.” I am just saying. It’s turned into a sort of GOP insult, and it’s not a proper reference.