I think that for many young adults, COVID was their first experience with a really bad viral illness. Many had never had chicken pox (they were vaccinated for that), and many had never even had a case of influenza that they can remember. As a middle-age person, I remember having chicken pox, 3 bouts with influenza, and another random 2-week long fever before my mid-twenties. When I had covid, it was like the worst case of influenza I could recall, and I was fully expecting 2-4 weeks until I felt 100% again, which was the case. I knew it was normal. I remember a lot of young adults being alarmed by this ("It's been two weeks and I still feel like crap! Something is wrong!")
Vinay -- I completely agree. I've always seen "long covid" as a highly, highly exaggerated problem with little or no pathophysiology. The definition used by the CDC is absurdly easy to meet and is subject recall bias in the extreme. It was and remains a pseudo-problem promoted by the CDC with the avid support of the MSM. Or maybe the other way round.
I think it's worth comparing the list of neuropsychiatric symptoms for long covid to the "Havana Syndrome":
- Brain fog/poor concentration
- low energy
- depressed mood
- poor sleep
- imbalance
- headache
- nausea
- Dysgeusia and dysosmia may be unique to long covid, and possibly involve actual olfactory organ damage.
My point is that both long covid and Havana Syndrome are accurately interpreted as psychosomatic syndromes. Both groups can qualify for disability and thus exists a strong patient motivation for secondary gain.
It will be a healthy step for society to get completely over the long covid fright.
And yet ... we know that covid19 is unique among human viruses in that it can affect many different tissue types -- muscle, lung, kidney, nerve, etc -- because of the ubiquity of the ACE2 receptor and the virus's affinity for it. This is why the symptoms and damage can be so complex and wide-ranging. The prevalence of persistent anosmia as a symptom results from the ability of covid19 to attack the nervous system. With all this evidence, I believe it is reasonable to conclude that neurological long covid is in fact a particular problem with this disease.
Vinay, it's a bad faith move to post a screenshot of an article and make a claim about it. Post the article link so we can all read it instead of forcing us to type out verbatim the info.
Onesie twosie thinking. The issue is our debt from printing trillions of dollars to gift fat Americans-- 65% are obese-- so they could stay home and EAT MORE. I said in March 2020 that shutting down might save some lives but several hundred millions people would wish they were dead if this shut down caused economic damage which it did. Long or short it matters little. Everyone in America is eating disordered and/or fat or has one of the FIVE actual eating disorders.
I agree with the link between money printing and poor health. But I'd say handouts to fat Americans pales in comparison to handouts to pharma and big food companies which foster paradigms that de-emphasize nutrition and lifestyle and over-emphasize pharma interventions.
I always find the timing of these pretty interesting: my friends and I were researching long covid back in like April, 2020 but a few of the studies got retracted and by July or so it was becoming clear there was nothing to worry about. Note that the google trends result might indicate that within the general public nobody seemed to care until late 2020. This would be the exact time when the persistent nonsense measures started to seem foolish, almost as if they needed a new marketing strategy…
After I had COVID fairly badly for 2 weeks in July 2022 I did have trouble breathing for a year, so even though that is much longer than you would suggest it takes to get over an illness, it probably doesn't qualify as long COVID because that symptom recently up.
True but lifestyle has failed because the real subject is not nutrition but RELIGION!! GLUTTONY AND SLOTH. Ozempic is our salvation. Read what users say. Nutrition made us binge.
That's a huge assumption -- that they're not healthy controls. Research groups gather CSF all the time for research purposes from both healthy and unhealthy individuals. They're looking at all the legitimate biomarkers of inflammation that should be there if there really was something different about COVID. In addition:
"The control group included asymptomatic participants who were recruited before the COVID-19 pandemic (prior to 2020) to serve as controls for other studies and included 1 asymptomatic participant who was enrolled in 2022 and had no history of COVID-19 illness, which was supported by a negative nucleocapsid antibody in the blood. Participants were excluded if they had any history of severe neurological or psychiatric illness, severe immunocompromising condition, or were receiving immune-suppressive medications at the time of the study."
If they had a neurological issue "serious enough to warrant a spinal tap" it sounds like they would be excluded (severe illness).
I think that for many young adults, COVID was their first experience with a really bad viral illness. Many had never had chicken pox (they were vaccinated for that), and many had never even had a case of influenza that they can remember. As a middle-age person, I remember having chicken pox, 3 bouts with influenza, and another random 2-week long fever before my mid-twenties. When I had covid, it was like the worst case of influenza I could recall, and I was fully expecting 2-4 weeks until I felt 100% again, which was the case. I knew it was normal. I remember a lot of young adults being alarmed by this ("It's been two weeks and I still feel like crap! Something is wrong!")
Long COVID or post acute sequelae of COVID is what we have known for decades: post viral syndrome. The demographics are similar, the symptoms too.
Vinay -- I completely agree. I've always seen "long covid" as a highly, highly exaggerated problem with little or no pathophysiology. The definition used by the CDC is absurdly easy to meet and is subject recall bias in the extreme. It was and remains a pseudo-problem promoted by the CDC with the avid support of the MSM. Or maybe the other way round.
I think it's worth comparing the list of neuropsychiatric symptoms for long covid to the "Havana Syndrome":
- Brain fog/poor concentration
- low energy
- depressed mood
- poor sleep
- imbalance
- headache
- nausea
- Dysgeusia and dysosmia may be unique to long covid, and possibly involve actual olfactory organ damage.
My point is that both long covid and Havana Syndrome are accurately interpreted as psychosomatic syndromes. Both groups can qualify for disability and thus exists a strong patient motivation for secondary gain.
It will be a healthy step for society to get completely over the long covid fright.
And yet ... we know that covid19 is unique among human viruses in that it can affect many different tissue types -- muscle, lung, kidney, nerve, etc -- because of the ubiquity of the ACE2 receptor and the virus's affinity for it. This is why the symptoms and damage can be so complex and wide-ranging. The prevalence of persistent anosmia as a symptom results from the ability of covid19 to attack the nervous system. With all this evidence, I believe it is reasonable to conclude that neurological long covid is in fact a particular problem with this disease.
Vinay, it's a bad faith move to post a screenshot of an article and make a claim about it. Post the article link so we can all read it instead of forcing us to type out verbatim the info.
The second picture is literally the name of the article, authors, and the DOI link... go read it.
Onesie twosie thinking. The issue is our debt from printing trillions of dollars to gift fat Americans-- 65% are obese-- so they could stay home and EAT MORE. I said in March 2020 that shutting down might save some lives but several hundred millions people would wish they were dead if this shut down caused economic damage which it did. Long or short it matters little. Everyone in America is eating disordered and/or fat or has one of the FIVE actual eating disorders.
I agree with the link between money printing and poor health. But I'd say handouts to fat Americans pales in comparison to handouts to pharma and big food companies which foster paradigms that de-emphasize nutrition and lifestyle and over-emphasize pharma interventions.
Did yu rece8ive y response? The way this site is set up I can't see what others post or my responses. jb
I always find the timing of these pretty interesting: my friends and I were researching long covid back in like April, 2020 but a few of the studies got retracted and by July or so it was becoming clear there was nothing to worry about. Note that the google trends result might indicate that within the general public nobody seemed to care until late 2020. This would be the exact time when the persistent nonsense measures started to seem foolish, almost as if they needed a new marketing strategy…
After I had COVID fairly badly for 2 weeks in July 2022 I did have trouble breathing for a year, so even though that is much longer than you would suggest it takes to get over an illness, it probably doesn't qualify as long COVID because that symptom recently up.
True but lifestyle has failed because the real subject is not nutrition but RELIGION!! GLUTTONY AND SLOTH. Ozempic is our salvation. Read what users say. Nutrition made us binge.
That's a huge assumption -- that they're not healthy controls. Research groups gather CSF all the time for research purposes from both healthy and unhealthy individuals. They're looking at all the legitimate biomarkers of inflammation that should be there if there really was something different about COVID. In addition:
"The control group included asymptomatic participants who were recruited before the COVID-19 pandemic (prior to 2020) to serve as controls for other studies and included 1 asymptomatic participant who was enrolled in 2022 and had no history of COVID-19 illness, which was supported by a negative nucleocapsid antibody in the blood. Participants were excluded if they had any history of severe neurological or psychiatric illness, severe immunocompromising condition, or were receiving immune-suppressive medications at the time of the study."
If they had a neurological issue "serious enough to warrant a spinal tap" it sounds like they would be excluded (severe illness).