What is the evidence that ANY group received a net benefit from any of the covid vaxxes? I haven't seen any convincing, methodologically sound evidence. Please share if you have.
I love Vinay, but he keeps saying the Covid vax was indeed helpful for older, or otherwise compromised folks. I, too would like to see the sound evidence that proves that.
I’ll join you on this one. I’d love to read Vinay approved studies on net benefit in certain groups. I’m thankful every day that I followed my rule regarding medicine which is to not put in my body any new product until it has been out for several years at least and been proven to my satisfaction to benefit me, and therefore didn’t get the shot. As time passes more and more negative health implications are revealed, and I think we’ve only begun to see the extent of the damage this has caused, especially to our young people.
The only evidence we have from a controlled study came from Pfizer's own trial in which 23% more people died (from all causes) in the mRNA vaccine group than in the control group.
My in laws, both in their late 80’s, got the initial 2 vaccines. Both had covid with few symptoms. Compare to a few years earlier when they both had the flu shot, both got flu, and both ended up in the hospital. By the way FIL has diabetes and is overweight! He is now 91!!! They declined any more covid shots, even thought docs push them, but I think they both still take flu shots. Their best friend, obese, in nursing home for years, has had covid at least twice & is still kicking. Weird.
Vinay, You missed the entire reason that the spikeshots are on the children's schedule -- This is the only way you get complete liability protection. If you take if off the children's schedule, than all of the adults harmed by the shot (and there are thousands, perhaps millions) will be able to sue the pharma's like they can do with any other drug. This will be a tsunami unlike those never seen before.
The shots are on the children's schedule not because anyone (even at CDC) thought they had any value. (My friends at CDC tell me everyone has always known that). They are there to protect pharma from suits from non-child recipients.
This is why they have not already been removed even by people like RFK Jr. who knows they should be. The economic and political ramifications are profound.
When the CDC stopped publishing the case fatality rate of Covid early in the pandemic, I knew it had become a political disease. The best dialogue would be how to remove politics from science and medicine. Everyone should agree that the truth and facts are the best for the majority of people.
The real question is when will people wake up and see that the entrenched politician-scientists don't care what RFK Jr does, they're just going to oppose it no matter what. At that point, no one will listen to them anymore.
I can't believe that there is even pushback on the artificial colors. Once California and another state have banned something, does anyone really expect the manufacturers to keep it going? Why would you want two supply systems, two recipes?
It is about time that the corruption at the NIH FDA and all those entities comes to a stop as it has hurt millions. But don’t expect everyone to come to their senses, it’s difficult to do a mea culpa and realized you have been lied and betrayed for so long
Should never had been approved for EUA for kids. If I remember correctly I believe the use in the toddler range was approved using “non inferior antibodies compared to older teens and young adults”. REALLY, that was where the goal post was lowered to!!! That with the AAP remaining mute when it was added it to the childhood vaccine schedule, along with their asinine mask policy stating there was no effect on speech development, interpreting facial expression, and no harm on socialization skills prompted my immediate resignation as a fellow. The mRNA vaccine using lipidnanoparticles (LNP)as a vector was brilliant bioengineering, but knowing from large primate studies that LNPs intramuscularly injected had a 10 percent tissue trafficking throughout the body meant a clear determination of risk/benefit needed to be established. By late 2020 and early 2021 we had a clear picture of who was having the worst outcomes from Covid-19 and it certainly was not healthy children. My personal take, the one size fits all, safe and effective policy of the Biden administration coupled with the virtue signaling of liberals throwing risk benefit under the bus will go down as the largest malpractice fiasco in human history. I am hopeful Drs Monarez and Makary will lead the CDC and FDA down a different path.
Mr. Proffit has rarely been on the side of the kids. But it's an interesting way to issue a warning. As if all the vaccines are the same, and we're ok dropping one, but don't do anymore!
This is one of the problems surrounding vaccine discussions - no acknowledgment that they are different products, different treatments, different diseases.
"I was disappointed to read this quote by Paul Offit, whom I generally respect."
Why would you generally respect a guy who says that children can safely take 10,000 vaccines? Despite multiple suggestions from people, Offit has neither given 10,000 shots to his children or to himself.
Can we talk about quarantine policies now? A close relative recently had surgery and was discharged to inpatient rehab. A few days into her stay at the inpatient facility, she developed respiratory symptoms and tested positive for corona. She was "quarantined" for 10 days, which meant that (1) no doctor would see her, at all, and (2) she did not get PT, at all. Family members were allowed to visit, and personal care aides entered her room for bathroom purposes. A few days after her quarantine ended, the co-pay kicked in (insurance covered 100% for the first two weeks, and a reduced percentage after that), so she went home, incredibly weak and (as she discovered from a CT scan during an ER trip a day after discharge) she still had pneumonia.
What do you say, Dr. Prasad? Does "quarantining" patients in rehab facilities make sense when the same HVAC system serves the entire building? And when the insurance (and healing) clock is ticking for inpatient PT?
Was she at a rehab or at a skilled nursing facility?
My dad was in a similar situation, *minus* the Covid. Hip fracture, surgery, then to a skilled nursing care. 1 week after the fall, he was trying to walk around with a walker and was told to cut-it-out for liability reasons. I arrived 2 weeks later, he could move himself between bed and wheelchair and wheel himself around. I didn't see him walkering anymore. Then back to hospital due to low-iron. By the time he got out the second time, he could barely move from bed to wheelchair without help - no PT in the hospital. Then to a real rehab where he managed to get discharged and was barely able to walker again.
When my 5yo got spinal surgery, they tried to kick us out a soon as possible (3 days???) because "She'll recover better at home." True enough she was walking around within a couple of days.
My conclusion is that all of these places are more interested in keeping you bedbound for liability reasons than having you get better at all. What I've learned is that if you ever want to recover, come home as soon as you can, and get them to do home PT asap.
Agree this course correction is needed and will help reestablish public credibility. There is no scientific or public health rationale for continued C19 shots for healthy children, and it dilutes the credibility of the schedule for other more important vaccines. One (weak) argument we will hear is that placement on the childhood schedule guarantees zero cost coverage. That argument should not prevail.
The T Rex has escaped and is on the prow. RFK Jr. is trying to put it back where it belongs. With any luck T Rex will eat Offit for lunch. We'll all be better off then.
Offit deserves no respect. zero! if he is not stopped, he will continue to harm children. Offit is unhinged. He’s a deranged ideologue. get him off any vax committee. Now
What is the evidence that ANY group received a net benefit from any of the covid vaxxes? I haven't seen any convincing, methodologically sound evidence. Please share if you have.
I love Vinay, but he keeps saying the Covid vax was indeed helpful for older, or otherwise compromised folks. I, too would like to see the sound evidence that proves that.
It may have just killed the ones that would've died from Covid..... We'll never know.
I’ll join you on this one. I’d love to read Vinay approved studies on net benefit in certain groups. I’m thankful every day that I followed my rule regarding medicine which is to not put in my body any new product until it has been out for several years at least and been proven to my satisfaction to benefit me, and therefore didn’t get the shot. As time passes more and more negative health implications are revealed, and I think we’ve only begun to see the extent of the damage this has caused, especially to our young people.
The only evidence we have from a controlled study came from Pfizer's own trial in which 23% more people died (from all causes) in the mRNA vaccine group than in the control group.
My in laws, both in their late 80’s, got the initial 2 vaccines. Both had covid with few symptoms. Compare to a few years earlier when they both had the flu shot, both got flu, and both ended up in the hospital. By the way FIL has diabetes and is overweight! He is now 91!!! They declined any more covid shots, even thought docs push them, but I think they both still take flu shots. Their best friend, obese, in nursing home for years, has had covid at least twice & is still kicking. Weird.
Vinay, You missed the entire reason that the spikeshots are on the children's schedule -- This is the only way you get complete liability protection. If you take if off the children's schedule, than all of the adults harmed by the shot (and there are thousands, perhaps millions) will be able to sue the pharma's like they can do with any other drug. This will be a tsunami unlike those never seen before.
The shots are on the children's schedule not because anyone (even at CDC) thought they had any value. (My friends at CDC tell me everyone has always known that). They are there to protect pharma from suits from non-child recipients.
This is why they have not already been removed even by people like RFK Jr. who knows they should be. The economic and political ramifications are profound.
Yes, a critical point that is too often overlooked.
When the CDC stopped publishing the case fatality rate of Covid early in the pandemic, I knew it had become a political disease. The best dialogue would be how to remove politics from science and medicine. Everyone should agree that the truth and facts are the best for the majority of people.
I’m amazed by my fellow physicians’ reluctance to admit that they erred… I do this on a regular basis!
The real question is when will people wake up and see that the entrenched politician-scientists don't care what RFK Jr does, they're just going to oppose it no matter what. At that point, no one will listen to them anymore.
I can't believe that there is even pushback on the artificial colors. Once California and another state have banned something, does anyone really expect the manufacturers to keep it going? Why would you want two supply systems, two recipes?
It is about time that the corruption at the NIH FDA and all those entities comes to a stop as it has hurt millions. But don’t expect everyone to come to their senses, it’s difficult to do a mea culpa and realized you have been lied and betrayed for so long
Should never had been approved for EUA for kids. If I remember correctly I believe the use in the toddler range was approved using “non inferior antibodies compared to older teens and young adults”. REALLY, that was where the goal post was lowered to!!! That with the AAP remaining mute when it was added it to the childhood vaccine schedule, along with their asinine mask policy stating there was no effect on speech development, interpreting facial expression, and no harm on socialization skills prompted my immediate resignation as a fellow. The mRNA vaccine using lipidnanoparticles (LNP)as a vector was brilliant bioengineering, but knowing from large primate studies that LNPs intramuscularly injected had a 10 percent tissue trafficking throughout the body meant a clear determination of risk/benefit needed to be established. By late 2020 and early 2021 we had a clear picture of who was having the worst outcomes from Covid-19 and it certainly was not healthy children. My personal take, the one size fits all, safe and effective policy of the Biden administration coupled with the virtue signaling of liberals throwing risk benefit under the bus will go down as the largest malpractice fiasco in human history. I am hopeful Drs Monarez and Makary will lead the CDC and FDA down a different path.
Mr. Proffit has rarely been on the side of the kids. But it's an interesting way to issue a warning. As if all the vaccines are the same, and we're ok dropping one, but don't do anymore!
This is one of the problems surrounding vaccine discussions - no acknowledgment that they are different products, different treatments, different diseases.
"I was disappointed to read this quote by Paul Offit, whom I generally respect."
Why would you generally respect a guy who says that children can safely take 10,000 vaccines? Despite multiple suggestions from people, Offit has neither given 10,000 shots to his children or to himself.
Can we talk about quarantine policies now? A close relative recently had surgery and was discharged to inpatient rehab. A few days into her stay at the inpatient facility, she developed respiratory symptoms and tested positive for corona. She was "quarantined" for 10 days, which meant that (1) no doctor would see her, at all, and (2) she did not get PT, at all. Family members were allowed to visit, and personal care aides entered her room for bathroom purposes. A few days after her quarantine ended, the co-pay kicked in (insurance covered 100% for the first two weeks, and a reduced percentage after that), so she went home, incredibly weak and (as she discovered from a CT scan during an ER trip a day after discharge) she still had pneumonia.
What do you say, Dr. Prasad? Does "quarantining" patients in rehab facilities make sense when the same HVAC system serves the entire building? And when the insurance (and healing) clock is ticking for inpatient PT?
Was she at a rehab or at a skilled nursing facility?
My dad was in a similar situation, *minus* the Covid. Hip fracture, surgery, then to a skilled nursing care. 1 week after the fall, he was trying to walk around with a walker and was told to cut-it-out for liability reasons. I arrived 2 weeks later, he could move himself between bed and wheelchair and wheel himself around. I didn't see him walkering anymore. Then back to hospital due to low-iron. By the time he got out the second time, he could barely move from bed to wheelchair without help - no PT in the hospital. Then to a real rehab where he managed to get discharged and was barely able to walker again.
When my 5yo got spinal surgery, they tried to kick us out a soon as possible (3 days???) because "She'll recover better at home." True enough she was walking around within a couple of days.
My conclusion is that all of these places are more interested in keeping you bedbound for liability reasons than having you get better at all. What I've learned is that if you ever want to recover, come home as soon as you can, and get them to do home PT asap.
Agree this course correction is needed and will help reestablish public credibility. There is no scientific or public health rationale for continued C19 shots for healthy children, and it dilutes the credibility of the schedule for other more important vaccines. One (weak) argument we will hear is that placement on the childhood schedule guarantees zero cost coverage. That argument should not prevail.
I'm flabbergasted that Paul Offit is now taking this position. Remember when he voted against the booster because of "uncomfortably scant" evidence of efficacy? https://odysee.com/@ddswaterloo100:0/Dr.-Paul-Offit-The-Only-Reason-I-Voted-NO-For-The-Vaccine-Is:d?t=%7Bseek_to_second_number%7D
Funny, he doesn't seem to understand the same principal here...
The T Rex has escaped and is on the prow. RFK Jr. is trying to put it back where it belongs. With any luck T Rex will eat Offit for lunch. We'll all be better off then.
Offit deserves no respect. zero! if he is not stopped, he will continue to harm children. Offit is unhinged. He’s a deranged ideologue. get him off any vax committee. Now
Covid jab was and is poison. There is no credible data showing otherwise. period.
Political disease since the majority are or were FAT with inflammation why don’t u say it his