Vinay, please debate him. But instead of a contest be a discussion with significant analysis of studies each of you bring to support your conclusions. Beforehand decide on a set of studies. You bring yours, he brings his. Share which you will use prior to the event so that each my analyze and prepare for an intelligent discussion.
I know Bobby will fully agree with working with you to create the framework for studies that need to be done to address the areas of doubt. In fact it is what he has been demanding for18 years.
I have been listening to and reading his material for decades. He is a honest and passionate defender of the health of people and the environment. He would be our greatest environmental and public health president. Once people see past the outrageous propaganda from corporate controlled media/government they will agree and vote for him.
There is a LOT, a ton of arguments that most doctors can't really speak to, and Vinay won't be able to either. Why? Simply habit, indoctrination.
If MDs are decent and good critical thinkers, you have Vinay. He is the best case scenario, but there's still a profound level of indoctrination and propaganda behind vaccine efforts that even he pushes. In reality, most of the vaccinations that are pushed are essentially unnecessary for most people most of the time. Fact one. Second fact: most vaccines have not really been tested for long term effects, especially subtle ones that may not show up on an RCT, such as increased sensitivity to allergens, increased probability for certain cancers later in life, and so on. Every single doctor is on the vaccine blitzkreig and is ready to shut you down for even asking such audacious questions. That attitude needs to be changed. Doctors serve people. We don't owe them shit. They're not cops. If they want to take that attitude, they should have their licenses revoked.
Vinay needs to raise the bar and ask when vaccination is even appropriate and he also needs to be intellectually honest, like most doctors are not, and admit the fact that many of the things that RFK challenges about vaccines are straight up dismissed based speculation and educated guesswork -- remarkably, on almost zero or poor scientific data. The fact is that for a lot of these things, doctors don't know. Instead of admitting they don't know, they double down.
Vinay is an absolute hero, but this is the context he is still coming out of. We need a big switch when it comes to how practice of medicine is done and how doctors are held accountable as public servants. It's interesting to me how much this dovetails with much needed police reform; cops apparently seem to believe these days that they're some kind of god and that us civilian are sheep. NO. We must resist how medicine is doomed in this direction: another way for people who are essentially cops with god-complexes to force things into our bodies and our lives.
Vinay is indeed doing good work being critical in some areas, but I would suggest that there is a better "best case scenario" among MDs, though it is rare. There have been doctors who started questioning deeper into what they "knew" and have come out with much more nuanced and considered notions about the mRNA therapeutics and vaccines in general. One example is Pierre Korry.
It's also good to be aware that there is a huge potential penalty for MDs who get red-pilled on this stuff. Vinay has a lot to lose if he comes out as more critical of these drugs. People have lost their hospital and teaching appointments for less.
On Hotez debating him being the wrong person, I agree with you in a vacuum, but I think you're missing the point. Hotez was very prominent during covid and a good representation of the prevailing narrative - having him debate would be a notable de-pantsing of the current state of public health. Before public health can be fixed, it's many failures will have to be painfully acknowledged by those who still defend it.
I only wish I could like this comment many more times!! Hotez was someone I listened to at first,but it quickly became evident that he’s a nitwit. I’d pay to see anyone who could humiliate him publicly.
Hotez getting obliterated by RFK, Jr. would be a net negative for society. Sure, it would be vindication for those of us who didn’t support Hotez’ views. But, it would wrongly become an indictment of the entire vaccine industry which has overall been a tremendous good for public health. Someone who can rightly be critical of the pharmaceutical industry and government but also call out RFK where he is wrong would make for a much more fruitful discussion.
It's certainly possible that some vaccines - notably polio and smallpox - have been huge net positives. But "the entire vaccine industry?" That's what's never been proven or even tested, just assumed as an article of faith. Why? Why is Public Health and the entire medical mainstream so afraid to put this assumption to the test? It has been said that real scientists try their best to disprove their own hypotheses because being married to your hypothesis is the death of science. Vinay knows this, but vaccines are his blind spot.
I disagree. Vinay has been very critical of Covid vaccines while also recognizing their worth. If there were compelling evidence MMR causes autism, for instance, I don’t believe he would let his bias get in the way of objective reasoning.
Ha ha there you go again, just like Vinay - demanding compelling evidence that MMR DOESN'T cause autism. The relevant fact is that MMR has never been proven safe - never been tested against placebo or even against a non-vaccinated cohort. So we have no way of knowing which, if any, of the current epidemic of chronic conditions may be caused by it, including autism. But the moms were there when the autism started and the story is always the same - kid meets all his milestones until MMR, then spikes a fever and/or has a seizure, then loses speech and eye contact and it never returns. In the context of this massive body of such anecdotes, proof of safety is what's required to use them, not proof harm to NOT use them.
Vinay, you should ask RFK Jr on your show to have a discussion. I'm sure he'd welcome such an opportunity. The only problem is that you couldn't post this video on YouTube, since YouTube would surely censor it. So open a Rumble, or similar account and just post the intro on YouTube to direct people to Rumble or another uncensored platform.
While you're at it, you should have a similar conversation with Dr. Pierre Kory about ivermectin and his recent book "The War on Ivermectin". Though I greatly respect your insights especially on scientific studies, where I think you fall short is on understanding the methodologies of some of these clinical trials. Why? Unlike Kory, you're not a clinician. So, no doubt you'd have probably have demanded a "gold standard" RCT for penicillin before recommending its use.
Now looking at the studies on ivermectin, the high profile ones (e.g. the TOGETHER Trial) that have been published in major journals have been consistently methodologically flawed not only by under dosing, but also by waiting too long to start treatment, giving as a stand alone medicine w/o other supplements (e.g. zinc), giving on an empty stomach, etc. Former Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation's Edward Mills who organized the TOGETHER Trial claimed to have consulted with Ivermectin proponents to establish his protocols, but Dr. Kory will clearly note that this wasn't true. Doing an RCT simply following Kory's group the FLCCC protocol could have been something easily done. But it wasn't. The Malaysian study that did dose 5 days was very small. So even though their were 3 deaths in the ivermectin group versus 10 deaths in the control group, this was considered statistically insignificant despite the huge relative risk disparity.
So contrary to what you assert, there were a number of huge differences between masking and off patent drug testing. First, only a few RCT's were done with masks. Second these RCT's weren't human challenge studies, so prevalence was a huge issue. And third there wasn't a huge 200+ billion dollar pay-off dependent on the success or failure of masks. With ivermectin trials, those that were successful were dismissed as being low quality. Those few high profiled ones that were published in high profile journals, were methodologically flawed as previously noted. Plus most of those studies had researchers closely aligned and previously financed by pharma or worked with foundations like Mills of BMGF heavily invested in products that would be financially undermined by repurposed drugs.
I agree with a lot of what you write, especially in regards to masking, but on the topic of repurposed drugs, you're the one who is conflating two topics that aren't the same.
I have much respect for Dr. Prasad, but RFJ Jr. bests him with his deep knowledge of the HCQ and IVM trials. Anyone who reads a few chapters of his book would acknowledge that.
Dr. Prasad overall better understands types & quality of scientific research, but like I noted above he's not a clinician. So he's not as adept with specific treatment protocols. Why? He hasn't treated (m)any COVID patients. Whereas someone like Dr. Pierre Kory has. If the intent is really educational (rather than trying to gotcha the other person), that's why I think it would be more beneficial for Dr. Prasad to have a discussion with Dr. Kory rather than with RFK Jr. since RFK Jr obviously also doesn't have any direct clinical experience. Dr. Kory's book The War on Ivermectin finally was published. Prasad should read this book and discuss it with Kory. https://www.amazon.com/War-Ivermectin-Medicine-Millions-Pandemic/dp/151077386X
Kory's group, the FLCCC alliance, has very specific treatment protocols with ivermectin https://covid19criticalcare.com/protocol/math-covid-hospital-treatment/ that they've developed working directly with thousands of patients. None of the high profile studies "disproving" ivermectin usefulness, published in major journals, used this protocol. Like I noted almost all of those studies dosed too late, under dosed, didn't dose with food, didn't dose with other supplements, etc. So as RFK Jr noted, most of these studies were designed to fail.
I'm more aware of the ivermectin research than the HCQ research. From my limited understanding of the difference between the two, ivermectin is really hard to overdose, so the unsuccessful trials under dosed not over dosed as RFK Jr mistakenly noted during his Rogan interview. It's the HCQ studies where HCQ was overdosed that was the problem. HCQ overdosing is toxic. The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation [BMGF] study used to "disprove" HCQ clearly overdosed. Plus again protocols weren't followed, for example, with providing other supplements. So again, studies were set up methodologically to fail.
Note too BMGF was heavily invested in mRNA vaccines and the company that made remdesivir (Gilead). So BMGF's wouldn't have made nearly as much money if either ivermectin or HCQ had been found effective.
I know a rheumatologist, who had lots of curbside talks with physicians about HCQ, he didn’t see it working from the beginning, but then I asked him about studies I started seeing about HCQ being used for Zinc uptake, and he thought that could be more plausible. It seemed really odd when the largest ivermectin study has to be curtailed because Merk couldn’t make anymore ivermectin to finish the study. Dr. Prasad saw women with blood clots from J&J as his role as a Hematologist/Onc doctor. His “group” at UCSF saw a ton of Covid patients. No telling how many grand rounds and case study presentations on Covid patients he attended during Covid at a teaching hospital. I would be surprised if he didn’t lead some on the J&J blood clots they saw at UCSF.
Thank you!! I listened to the Rogan discussion and came away with almost the exact same opinion as you did (you just more eloquently). If Rogan ever sees this, I truly hope he gets the 2 of you on at the same time and just sits back and listens.
RFK, Jr. did say he is not running on the vaccine issue, which is a good thing. Running on the anti-elite, anti-big corporation, anti-endless war platform is where he is going to do best. This is going to be a very interesting election.
Oh, and you need to be the Surgeon General (or at least director of HHS) when he becomes president!
Good for his campaign, sure. But what he would attempt to do with our current vaccine program and how he may handle vaccination efforts in a future pandemic are important questions that must be answered before I would even consider voting for him.
As far as handling future pandemic vaccination efforts, I hope and pray that there will be someone like RFK in office to curtail the rampent regulatory capture and gas lighting that we have seen (and are still seeing) with the Covid pandemic/"vaccines". And he will not do much to the current childhood vaccine schedule except make it better and more well researched. He will insist on going back and critically looking at all of the trials, question the timing of the recommended vaccines and question the adjuvants that are used.
As I stated, he does not want to just run on the vaccine issue. This is a small part of his overall policy goals. It just happens to be the one that he and Rogan spoke about the most. I look forward to seeing him be able to discuss the other issues on his platform.
I am looking at who he is going to be running against and he probably will not even be allowed to be on the Democrat ticket because the powers that be will ensure he will not be given a chance, so we are probably talking about it all for naught. If he then chooses to run as an independent, that will be an interesting race. I predict a tie between the probable 3 candidates that would be on the ticket. Hang on because it will be a bumpy ride I am sure!
I agree 100% on regulatory capture. But, the vaccine program has been a net positive for society. I fear he will attempt to derail it. This may be an unpopular opinion among some of the readers of this but the Covid vaccination program has been a net positive as well. There have been major problems with it regarding unnecessary mandatory vaccinations, the blatant downplaying of myocarditis in young males and unnecessary boosters. These things have given Covid vaccination a bad name and our trust in public health institutions severely damaged. But, this does not change the fact Covid vaccines have saved millions of lives, particularly in the elderly and immune compromised. If RFK were president during Covid, would we even have a Covid vaccine program in the US?
Love this column. When he first announced his candidacy, I was struck by Kennedy's message of hope for our country. For the first time in many years, I felt optimistic that our lives could change. Like you, Vinay, I don't agree with all his positions, but I have heard him say more than once, "Show me where I'm wrong." How often do we hear these words from a politician? I can not support a party that refuses to debate, and that uses labels and old familiar tropes to dismiss of man of Kennedy's character, gravitas and intellect.
for Ivermectin/HCQ/cancerdrugs, you say the onus is on the manufacturers to prove efficacy using large+long RCTs measuring actual outcomes not surrogates. yet for vaccines, you support them (at least the non-covid vaccines) without any such evidence. show me one RCT showing DTaP is effective in reducing tetanus in ADULTS (the only RCT showed it for tetanus acquired during cord cutting of newborns). DTaP does not even prevent transmission of pertussis. why the double standard?
That’s exactly why I know Vinay will eventually figure out the full truth about vaccines but I would love to know how he rationalizes that contradiction... without cognitive dissonance
I read RFK Jr's book on Fauci. I think the issue with Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as I heard it from others is not that they are some kind of hidden magic bullets, but that big pharma had influence on studies on the efficacy of cheap drugs and early treatment for Covid 19, like them, including vitamin D and antibiotics. There is evidence of such outlined in the book and I traced these studies through the footnotes and was persuaded. I actually was injured by a flu vaccine in 1998 when there was no discussion of this even being a thing. I just experienced it, had a doctor affirm it was a thing and by chance met someone ten years later when playing tennis who experienced similar. I did not know then about the 1986 legislation that gave big pharma more carte blanche on vaccines and now as a parent I am horrified. To me that is the big picture that I hope you can engage with. Considering that Bill Gates is obsessed with vaccines as de facto health care for the global poor makes sense. I suggest staying out of the weeds regarding particular studies but rather getting the general public more educated about captured government agencies. I consider the "correct" and "incorrect" heuristic you lay out vis a vis RFK jr's claims as somewhat reductive.
Wait a second. You're saying that "RFK Jr. has not made a strong enough case that the harms of these [vaccines] outweigh the benefits?" Since when is the burden of proof on the skeptics to prove a medical intervention does more harm than good? To the contrary - as you yourself have always insisted - the burden is always on the drug company to prove that the benefits outweigh the risk by testing it against placebo in a prospective, randomized clinical trial - one that lasts longer than 6 months!! And no such clinical trial has EVER been done with ANY vaccine. Your statement violates every standard of medical proof you have always advocated. I'm very surprised to see that you too have fallen prey to the vaccine religion.
I'm really excited to have a candidate like him running, especially as a democrat. One thing I've observed over and over in California is disgusted parents saying they're done voting blue because the Democrats keep taking away parental rights. RFK Jr. will have broad appeal to people on both sides of the aisle especially because he supports parental and individual rights over corporation's interests. I wouldn't be surprised if at least half of those who get his CHD newsletter are fed up parents who now identify as either Republican or Independent.
If only our nation can get away from trying to have a rematch of the 2020 elections, and see the excellent candidates we have available.
During Covid I religiously listened to Zdog MD and Dr. Prasad. Remembering back to some of their conversations there were references to RFKJR that were pretty disparaging and snarky. ZDOG referred to him by saying things like ,“ The likes of RFKJR” lumping him into the idiot category. There was always talk about tribalism and how people get captured etc etc. Well when I listened to the Rogan interview I saw immediately that he is super intelligent and not some crazy person that people make him out to be. I immediately wondered if ZDOG and Vinay would actually listen and humbly admit their own bias and really listen to what he is saying. The medical community needs to come together for all our sakes and ruthlessly pursue the truth of what has been going on and is still going on with corruption in medicine. Please Dr. Prasad have him on your show.
ZDOG has rotten principles at the core. Vinay is better. In one discussion, ZDOG was about enforcing credentialism and Vinay was mildly against it. That told me enough about ZDOG's character to never listen to him again. I wish Vinay pushed back harder but I guess he wanted to be polite. I believe Vinay has the right principles, but he is a bit scared of applying the same standard to vaccines as the one he applies to cancer drugs, because if he does so too much he will get cancelled very badly. The golden handcuff is too bad and I dont blame him and appreciate what he does. One beneftit is that he is able to reach a broader audience which may be put off immediately if he really applied the same standard.
I have never questioned our institutions as much as I have since Covid. I have witness my own organization, ASHA, refuse to even question the validity of masking, despite being presented with evidence. They displayed no critical thinking on how masks impacted children and insisted they were needed to slow the spread. The CDC then altered developmental norms that go against what we have know for years, especially regarding language development.
RFK Jr makes many compelling arguments but also displays the willingness to engage with those that disagree and would change his thinking if presented with evidence. This is a characteristic I have not seen in any other politician in a long time. This quality he displays and his clear level of knowledge and intelligence is what I find very intriguing.
In every interview or podcast I’ve seen with RFK,jr. he at some point states outright that he will change his mind if presented with compelling evidence. I really would like to get Vinay together with him in a nonconfrontational conversation and see if that’s true. I’ve never ever heard a politician say out loud “ I might be wrong”. Let’s find out!
I agree! RFK backs up what he believes in and is also willing to engage with others that have a different point of view. His views are not hollow and clearly he has a strong intellect. I agree, it would be refreshing to hear a non confrontational conversation with 2 different point of view between RFK and Vinay! Who knows, they would make a great ticket and would definitely get my vote!!
VP for VP has a nice ring to it, but he is more suited for surgeon general or HHS secretary. Tulsa for VP. And I voted (and campaigned) for Obama in 2008; held my nose and voted for Romney in 12; and happily voted for Trump in 16 and 20. I do not want to hold my nose again (which I will against Biden no matter who is on the other side). I would campaign hard for RFK Jr, especially if he brings in Gabbard for VP. Clean out the capture!
Also - your quote “Every young man who had vaccine myocarditis it should be filing a class action lawsuit against them, and the school that mandated it.”
This NEEDS to happen. In my mind it’ll take care of several birds - successfully suing these rich universities will make them go after pharma; perhaps resulting in slowing down some of the insanity of both entities.
I recommend you read Turtles All the Way Down which is deep dive on vaccine science written anonymously (for obvious reasons) by MDs & scientists Even just the first 2 chapters will be enlightening. I have Master of Science from UCLA & nearly 4 decades clinical practice as RN/NP & learned so much which could have effected my practice were I not now retired. You may find studies that support RFK Jr views. There are many references (w QR codes to link due to length of them). It seems you agree with him more than you disagree.
For the record I’m a conservative who is looking very seriously at him.
My biggest fear, unfortunately, is his speaking out about deep state & his uncle & father’s deaths & it’s not inconceivable they will do anything to stop him. But that’s a separate issue not pertinent to your post.
Go to his website and carefully examine his positions. They are actually pretty vague and obviously designed to be "catchy" But I have two main concerns, overreliance on the Federal government to solve all the problems and obedience to the climate change cult. I truly admire him and am grateful for what he has done but be careful!
I'm going to be at an event with RFK Jr's daughter-in-law Amaryllis who runs RFK Jr's campaign on Tuesday. I'm going to ask her if RFK Jr would go on Dr. Prasad's podcast to have a "conversation". Like I noted elsewhere, the only problem I see with such a podcast is platforming it on YouTube since YouTube would surely censor such content.
YouTube recently took down an two year old video of a RFK Jr interview that barely mentioned the 'V' word. Note too YouTube's parent company Alphabet owns Verily Life Services. And guess what Verily makes? Lipid Nano-Particles (LNP's) for mRNA vaccines.
I have a favor to ask. I would like to speak to someone in Bobby’s campaign about our situation in Iowa and his opportunity here. I have tried reaching the campaign thru their website, but no luck in getting a response. I am sure they are overwhelmed. I would like to help get their campaign going in Iowa. My email is billterrell55@gmail.com. If you can pass on my info to Amaryllis or whom ever is most appropriate. Thank you.
I respect and value what you do but maybe a bit spend more time digging into evidence about things you write about and bit less time writing scattered thoughts?
the DTP phenomenon has been observed more generally with non-live vaccines:
I love his scattered thoughts, especially since he has no problem rethinking and then expressing those. How about wording your criticism so it is more constructive and less condescending? The beauty of Substack is it is in general a more polite forum than others.
Tremendous! I think “rogen v hotez floor mopping” should be “pay for view” presentation. proceeds to vax injured. I would relish watching that bow-tied pudgy blowhard dimwit get a mop shoved up his keister --Paul “ the Jab Fanatic” Offit “” can be Hotez’s corner man--Fauci his towel carrier!
Vinay, please debate him. But instead of a contest be a discussion with significant analysis of studies each of you bring to support your conclusions. Beforehand decide on a set of studies. You bring yours, he brings his. Share which you will use prior to the event so that each my analyze and prepare for an intelligent discussion.
I know Bobby will fully agree with working with you to create the framework for studies that need to be done to address the areas of doubt. In fact it is what he has been demanding for18 years.
I have been listening to and reading his material for decades. He is a honest and passionate defender of the health of people and the environment. He would be our greatest environmental and public health president. Once people see past the outrageous propaganda from corporate controlled media/government they will agree and vote for him.
There is a LOT, a ton of arguments that most doctors can't really speak to, and Vinay won't be able to either. Why? Simply habit, indoctrination.
If MDs are decent and good critical thinkers, you have Vinay. He is the best case scenario, but there's still a profound level of indoctrination and propaganda behind vaccine efforts that even he pushes. In reality, most of the vaccinations that are pushed are essentially unnecessary for most people most of the time. Fact one. Second fact: most vaccines have not really been tested for long term effects, especially subtle ones that may not show up on an RCT, such as increased sensitivity to allergens, increased probability for certain cancers later in life, and so on. Every single doctor is on the vaccine blitzkreig and is ready to shut you down for even asking such audacious questions. That attitude needs to be changed. Doctors serve people. We don't owe them shit. They're not cops. If they want to take that attitude, they should have their licenses revoked.
Vinay needs to raise the bar and ask when vaccination is even appropriate and he also needs to be intellectually honest, like most doctors are not, and admit the fact that many of the things that RFK challenges about vaccines are straight up dismissed based speculation and educated guesswork -- remarkably, on almost zero or poor scientific data. The fact is that for a lot of these things, doctors don't know. Instead of admitting they don't know, they double down.
Vinay is an absolute hero, but this is the context he is still coming out of. We need a big switch when it comes to how practice of medicine is done and how doctors are held accountable as public servants. It's interesting to me how much this dovetails with much needed police reform; cops apparently seem to believe these days that they're some kind of god and that us civilian are sheep. NO. We must resist how medicine is doomed in this direction: another way for people who are essentially cops with god-complexes to force things into our bodies and our lives.
Well said
Vinay is indeed doing good work being critical in some areas, but I would suggest that there is a better "best case scenario" among MDs, though it is rare. There have been doctors who started questioning deeper into what they "knew" and have come out with much more nuanced and considered notions about the mRNA therapeutics and vaccines in general. One example is Pierre Korry.
It's also good to be aware that there is a huge potential penalty for MDs who get red-pilled on this stuff. Vinay has a lot to lose if he comes out as more critical of these drugs. People have lost their hospital and teaching appointments for less.
Excellent idea!
Great idea, Bill. Unfortunately we all know it won't come to fruition.
On Hotez debating him being the wrong person, I agree with you in a vacuum, but I think you're missing the point. Hotez was very prominent during covid and a good representation of the prevailing narrative - having him debate would be a notable de-pantsing of the current state of public health. Before public health can be fixed, it's many failures will have to be painfully acknowledged by those who still defend it.
I only wish I could like this comment many more times!! Hotez was someone I listened to at first,but it quickly became evident that he’s a nitwit. I’d pay to see anyone who could humiliate him publicly.
Hotez will never do it.
Hotez getting obliterated by RFK, Jr. would be a net negative for society. Sure, it would be vindication for those of us who didn’t support Hotez’ views. But, it would wrongly become an indictment of the entire vaccine industry which has overall been a tremendous good for public health. Someone who can rightly be critical of the pharmaceutical industry and government but also call out RFK where he is wrong would make for a much more fruitful discussion.
It's certainly possible that some vaccines - notably polio and smallpox - have been huge net positives. But "the entire vaccine industry?" That's what's never been proven or even tested, just assumed as an article of faith. Why? Why is Public Health and the entire medical mainstream so afraid to put this assumption to the test? It has been said that real scientists try their best to disprove their own hypotheses because being married to your hypothesis is the death of science. Vinay knows this, but vaccines are his blind spot.
I disagree. Vinay has been very critical of Covid vaccines while also recognizing their worth. If there were compelling evidence MMR causes autism, for instance, I don’t believe he would let his bias get in the way of objective reasoning.
Ha ha there you go again, just like Vinay - demanding compelling evidence that MMR DOESN'T cause autism. The relevant fact is that MMR has never been proven safe - never been tested against placebo or even against a non-vaccinated cohort. So we have no way of knowing which, if any, of the current epidemic of chronic conditions may be caused by it, including autism. But the moms were there when the autism started and the story is always the same - kid meets all his milestones until MMR, then spikes a fever and/or has a seizure, then loses speech and eye contact and it never returns. In the context of this massive body of such anecdotes, proof of safety is what's required to use them, not proof harm to NOT use them.
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Vinay, you should ask RFK Jr on your show to have a discussion. I'm sure he'd welcome such an opportunity. The only problem is that you couldn't post this video on YouTube, since YouTube would surely censor it. So open a Rumble, or similar account and just post the intro on YouTube to direct people to Rumble or another uncensored platform.
While you're at it, you should have a similar conversation with Dr. Pierre Kory about ivermectin and his recent book "The War on Ivermectin". Though I greatly respect your insights especially on scientific studies, where I think you fall short is on understanding the methodologies of some of these clinical trials. Why? Unlike Kory, you're not a clinician. So, no doubt you'd have probably have demanded a "gold standard" RCT for penicillin before recommending its use.
Now looking at the studies on ivermectin, the high profile ones (e.g. the TOGETHER Trial) that have been published in major journals have been consistently methodologically flawed not only by under dosing, but also by waiting too long to start treatment, giving as a stand alone medicine w/o other supplements (e.g. zinc), giving on an empty stomach, etc. Former Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation's Edward Mills who organized the TOGETHER Trial claimed to have consulted with Ivermectin proponents to establish his protocols, but Dr. Kory will clearly note that this wasn't true. Doing an RCT simply following Kory's group the FLCCC protocol could have been something easily done. But it wasn't. The Malaysian study that did dose 5 days was very small. So even though their were 3 deaths in the ivermectin group versus 10 deaths in the control group, this was considered statistically insignificant despite the huge relative risk disparity.
So contrary to what you assert, there were a number of huge differences between masking and off patent drug testing. First, only a few RCT's were done with masks. Second these RCT's weren't human challenge studies, so prevalence was a huge issue. And third there wasn't a huge 200+ billion dollar pay-off dependent on the success or failure of masks. With ivermectin trials, those that were successful were dismissed as being low quality. Those few high profiled ones that were published in high profile journals, were methodologically flawed as previously noted. Plus most of those studies had researchers closely aligned and previously financed by pharma or worked with foundations like Mills of BMGF heavily invested in products that would be financially undermined by repurposed drugs.
I agree with a lot of what you write, especially in regards to masking, but on the topic of repurposed drugs, you're the one who is conflating two topics that aren't the same.
I have much respect for Dr. Prasad, but RFJ Jr. bests him with his deep knowledge of the HCQ and IVM trials. Anyone who reads a few chapters of his book would acknowledge that.
I doubt that.
Dr. Prasad overall better understands types & quality of scientific research, but like I noted above he's not a clinician. So he's not as adept with specific treatment protocols. Why? He hasn't treated (m)any COVID patients. Whereas someone like Dr. Pierre Kory has. If the intent is really educational (rather than trying to gotcha the other person), that's why I think it would be more beneficial for Dr. Prasad to have a discussion with Dr. Kory rather than with RFK Jr. since RFK Jr obviously also doesn't have any direct clinical experience. Dr. Kory's book The War on Ivermectin finally was published. Prasad should read this book and discuss it with Kory. https://www.amazon.com/War-Ivermectin-Medicine-Millions-Pandemic/dp/151077386X
Kory's group, the FLCCC alliance, has very specific treatment protocols with ivermectin https://covid19criticalcare.com/protocol/math-covid-hospital-treatment/ that they've developed working directly with thousands of patients. None of the high profile studies "disproving" ivermectin usefulness, published in major journals, used this protocol. Like I noted almost all of those studies dosed too late, under dosed, didn't dose with food, didn't dose with other supplements, etc. So as RFK Jr noted, most of these studies were designed to fail.
I'm more aware of the ivermectin research than the HCQ research. From my limited understanding of the difference between the two, ivermectin is really hard to overdose, so the unsuccessful trials under dosed not over dosed as RFK Jr mistakenly noted during his Rogan interview. It's the HCQ studies where HCQ was overdosed that was the problem. HCQ overdosing is toxic. The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation [BMGF] study used to "disprove" HCQ clearly overdosed. Plus again protocols weren't followed, for example, with providing other supplements. So again, studies were set up methodologically to fail.
Note too BMGF was heavily invested in mRNA vaccines and the company that made remdesivir (Gilead). So BMGF's wouldn't have made nearly as much money if either ivermectin or HCQ had been found effective.
I know a rheumatologist, who had lots of curbside talks with physicians about HCQ, he didn’t see it working from the beginning, but then I asked him about studies I started seeing about HCQ being used for Zinc uptake, and he thought that could be more plausible. It seemed really odd when the largest ivermectin study has to be curtailed because Merk couldn’t make anymore ivermectin to finish the study. Dr. Prasad saw women with blood clots from J&J as his role as a Hematologist/Onc doctor. His “group” at UCSF saw a ton of Covid patients. No telling how many grand rounds and case study presentations on Covid patients he attended during Covid at a teaching hospital. I would be surprised if he didn’t lead some on the J&J blood clots they saw at UCSF.
Vinay has thoroughly read and reported on all the HCQ and IVM trials. I think he is well positioned to debate RFK Jr. on this.
Thank you!! I listened to the Rogan discussion and came away with almost the exact same opinion as you did (you just more eloquently). If Rogan ever sees this, I truly hope he gets the 2 of you on at the same time and just sits back and listens.
RFK, Jr. did say he is not running on the vaccine issue, which is a good thing. Running on the anti-elite, anti-big corporation, anti-endless war platform is where he is going to do best. This is going to be a very interesting election.
Oh, and you need to be the Surgeon General (or at least director of HHS) when he becomes president!
Hear here!
Good for his campaign, sure. But what he would attempt to do with our current vaccine program and how he may handle vaccination efforts in a future pandemic are important questions that must be answered before I would even consider voting for him.
As far as handling future pandemic vaccination efforts, I hope and pray that there will be someone like RFK in office to curtail the rampent regulatory capture and gas lighting that we have seen (and are still seeing) with the Covid pandemic/"vaccines". And he will not do much to the current childhood vaccine schedule except make it better and more well researched. He will insist on going back and critically looking at all of the trials, question the timing of the recommended vaccines and question the adjuvants that are used.
As I stated, he does not want to just run on the vaccine issue. This is a small part of his overall policy goals. It just happens to be the one that he and Rogan spoke about the most. I look forward to seeing him be able to discuss the other issues on his platform.
I am looking at who he is going to be running against and he probably will not even be allowed to be on the Democrat ticket because the powers that be will ensure he will not be given a chance, so we are probably talking about it all for naught. If he then chooses to run as an independent, that will be an interesting race. I predict a tie between the probable 3 candidates that would be on the ticket. Hang on because it will be a bumpy ride I am sure!
I agree 100% on regulatory capture. But, the vaccine program has been a net positive for society. I fear he will attempt to derail it. This may be an unpopular opinion among some of the readers of this but the Covid vaccination program has been a net positive as well. There have been major problems with it regarding unnecessary mandatory vaccinations, the blatant downplaying of myocarditis in young males and unnecessary boosters. These things have given Covid vaccination a bad name and our trust in public health institutions severely damaged. But, this does not change the fact Covid vaccines have saved millions of lives, particularly in the elderly and immune compromised. If RFK were president during Covid, would we even have a Covid vaccine program in the US?
Love this column. When he first announced his candidacy, I was struck by Kennedy's message of hope for our country. For the first time in many years, I felt optimistic that our lives could change. Like you, Vinay, I don't agree with all his positions, but I have heard him say more than once, "Show me where I'm wrong." How often do we hear these words from a politician? I can not support a party that refuses to debate, and that uses labels and old familiar tropes to dismiss of man of Kennedy's character, gravitas and intellect.
I don't like the vaccinated only holiday party! That strikes me as hypocritical and implies that he was vaccinated
for Ivermectin/HCQ/cancerdrugs, you say the onus is on the manufacturers to prove efficacy using large+long RCTs measuring actual outcomes not surrogates. yet for vaccines, you support them (at least the non-covid vaccines) without any such evidence. show me one RCT showing DTaP is effective in reducing tetanus in ADULTS (the only RCT showed it for tetanus acquired during cord cutting of newborns). DTaP does not even prevent transmission of pertussis. why the double standard?
That’s exactly why I know Vinay will eventually figure out the full truth about vaccines but I would love to know how he rationalizes that contradiction... without cognitive dissonance
I read RFK Jr's book on Fauci. I think the issue with Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as I heard it from others is not that they are some kind of hidden magic bullets, but that big pharma had influence on studies on the efficacy of cheap drugs and early treatment for Covid 19, like them, including vitamin D and antibiotics. There is evidence of such outlined in the book and I traced these studies through the footnotes and was persuaded. I actually was injured by a flu vaccine in 1998 when there was no discussion of this even being a thing. I just experienced it, had a doctor affirm it was a thing and by chance met someone ten years later when playing tennis who experienced similar. I did not know then about the 1986 legislation that gave big pharma more carte blanche on vaccines and now as a parent I am horrified. To me that is the big picture that I hope you can engage with. Considering that Bill Gates is obsessed with vaccines as de facto health care for the global poor makes sense. I suggest staying out of the weeds regarding particular studies but rather getting the general public more educated about captured government agencies. I consider the "correct" and "incorrect" heuristic you lay out vis a vis RFK jr's claims as somewhat reductive.
Wait a second. You're saying that "RFK Jr. has not made a strong enough case that the harms of these [vaccines] outweigh the benefits?" Since when is the burden of proof on the skeptics to prove a medical intervention does more harm than good? To the contrary - as you yourself have always insisted - the burden is always on the drug company to prove that the benefits outweigh the risk by testing it against placebo in a prospective, randomized clinical trial - one that lasts longer than 6 months!! And no such clinical trial has EVER been done with ANY vaccine. Your statement violates every standard of medical proof you have always advocated. I'm very surprised to see that you too have fallen prey to the vaccine religion.
Great article, Vinay!
I'm really excited to have a candidate like him running, especially as a democrat. One thing I've observed over and over in California is disgusted parents saying they're done voting blue because the Democrats keep taking away parental rights. RFK Jr. will have broad appeal to people on both sides of the aisle especially because he supports parental and individual rights over corporation's interests. I wouldn't be surprised if at least half of those who get his CHD newsletter are fed up parents who now identify as either Republican or Independent.
If only our nation can get away from trying to have a rematch of the 2020 elections, and see the excellent candidates we have available.
During Covid I religiously listened to Zdog MD and Dr. Prasad. Remembering back to some of their conversations there were references to RFKJR that were pretty disparaging and snarky. ZDOG referred to him by saying things like ,“ The likes of RFKJR” lumping him into the idiot category. There was always talk about tribalism and how people get captured etc etc. Well when I listened to the Rogan interview I saw immediately that he is super intelligent and not some crazy person that people make him out to be. I immediately wondered if ZDOG and Vinay would actually listen and humbly admit their own bias and really listen to what he is saying. The medical community needs to come together for all our sakes and ruthlessly pursue the truth of what has been going on and is still going on with corruption in medicine. Please Dr. Prasad have him on your show.
ZDOG has rotten principles at the core. Vinay is better. In one discussion, ZDOG was about enforcing credentialism and Vinay was mildly against it. That told me enough about ZDOG's character to never listen to him again. I wish Vinay pushed back harder but I guess he wanted to be polite. I believe Vinay has the right principles, but he is a bit scared of applying the same standard to vaccines as the one he applies to cancer drugs, because if he does so too much he will get cancelled very badly. The golden handcuff is too bad and I dont blame him and appreciate what he does. One beneftit is that he is able to reach a broader audience which may be put off immediately if he really applied the same standard.
ZDOG lost me when he took the position of having his young children make the call on getting COVID vaccinations.
Yep! Was not wise! Thank God nothing bad happened to them.
I have never questioned our institutions as much as I have since Covid. I have witness my own organization, ASHA, refuse to even question the validity of masking, despite being presented with evidence. They displayed no critical thinking on how masks impacted children and insisted they were needed to slow the spread. The CDC then altered developmental norms that go against what we have know for years, especially regarding language development.
RFK Jr makes many compelling arguments but also displays the willingness to engage with those that disagree and would change his thinking if presented with evidence. This is a characteristic I have not seen in any other politician in a long time. This quality he displays and his clear level of knowledge and intelligence is what I find very intriguing.
In every interview or podcast I’ve seen with RFK,jr. he at some point states outright that he will change his mind if presented with compelling evidence. I really would like to get Vinay together with him in a nonconfrontational conversation and see if that’s true. I’ve never ever heard a politician say out loud “ I might be wrong”. Let’s find out!
I agree! RFK backs up what he believes in and is also willing to engage with others that have a different point of view. His views are not hollow and clearly he has a strong intellect. I agree, it would be refreshing to hear a non confrontational conversation with 2 different point of view between RFK and Vinay! Who knows, they would make a great ticket and would definitely get my vote!!
VP for VP has a nice ring to it, but he is more suited for surgeon general or HHS secretary. Tulsa for VP. And I voted (and campaigned) for Obama in 2008; held my nose and voted for Romney in 12; and happily voted for Trump in 16 and 20. I do not want to hold my nose again (which I will against Biden no matter who is on the other side). I would campaign hard for RFK Jr, especially if he brings in Gabbard for VP. Clean out the capture!
Completely agree with that last paragraph.
Also - your quote “Every young man who had vaccine myocarditis it should be filing a class action lawsuit against them, and the school that mandated it.”
This NEEDS to happen. In my mind it’ll take care of several birds - successfully suing these rich universities will make them go after pharma; perhaps resulting in slowing down some of the insanity of both entities.
Am I just wishful thinking?
I recommend you read Turtles All the Way Down which is deep dive on vaccine science written anonymously (for obvious reasons) by MDs & scientists Even just the first 2 chapters will be enlightening. I have Master of Science from UCLA & nearly 4 decades clinical practice as RN/NP & learned so much which could have effected my practice were I not now retired. You may find studies that support RFK Jr views. There are many references (w QR codes to link due to length of them). It seems you agree with him more than you disagree.
For the record I’m a conservative who is looking very seriously at him.
My biggest fear, unfortunately, is his speaking out about deep state & his uncle & father’s deaths & it’s not inconceivable they will do anything to stop him. But that’s a separate issue not pertinent to your post.
Go to his website and carefully examine his positions. They are actually pretty vague and obviously designed to be "catchy" But I have two main concerns, overreliance on the Federal government to solve all the problems and obedience to the climate change cult. I truly admire him and am grateful for what he has done but be careful!
Thx for this sensible guide to thinking about elections and candidates. Forwarded this to RFK and sent your contact.
I'm going to be at an event with RFK Jr's daughter-in-law Amaryllis who runs RFK Jr's campaign on Tuesday. I'm going to ask her if RFK Jr would go on Dr. Prasad's podcast to have a "conversation". Like I noted elsewhere, the only problem I see with such a podcast is platforming it on YouTube since YouTube would surely censor such content.
Wouldn't that be quite the censorship - someone running for president, and you can't even hear what they have to say?
YouTube recently took down an two year old video of a RFK Jr interview that barely mentioned the 'V' word. Note too YouTube's parent company Alphabet owns Verily Life Services. And guess what Verily makes? Lipid Nano-Particles (LNP's) for mRNA vaccines.
Thank you for making this clear.
I have a favor to ask. I would like to speak to someone in Bobby’s campaign about our situation in Iowa and his opportunity here. I have tried reaching the campaign thru their website, but no luck in getting a response. I am sure they are overwhelmed. I would like to help get their campaign going in Iowa. My email is billterrell55@gmail.com. If you can pass on my info to Amaryllis or whom ever is most appropriate. Thank you.
First try using this email: volunteer@teamkennedy.com
I got put in touch with Amaryllis via this email.
wow you didn't even listen carefully saying you disagree with JFK on those few things. he was arguing about harms of DTP, not DTaP: big difference. I bet you havent even read the papers he cited about DTP: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(17)30046-4/fulltext.
I respect and value what you do but maybe a bit spend more time digging into evidence about things you write about and bit less time writing scattered thoughts?
the DTP phenomenon has been observed more generally with non-live vaccines:
https://www.scientificfreedom.dk/lectures/
I love his scattered thoughts, especially since he has no problem rethinking and then expressing those. How about wording your criticism so it is more constructive and less condescending? The beauty of Substack is it is in general a more polite forum than others.
Tremendous! I think “rogen v hotez floor mopping” should be “pay for view” presentation. proceeds to vax injured. I would relish watching that bow-tied pudgy blowhard dimwit get a mop shoved up his keister --Paul “ the Jab Fanatic” Offit “” can be Hotez’s corner man--Fauci his towel carrier!
Not sure Paul even wants to be in that fight.
You know there's a serious problem when Dr. Offit doesn't support the current batch of vaccines and how they're being approved!