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Andrew Heard's avatar

I understand that it’s easier to view people who refuse to accept the facts as not persuadable but I worry that this just perpetuates the problem of polarization. My view is that it will become like the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. There was widespread support for it when it first started but eventually everyone came around to the idea that it wasn’t going to end well and was in large part a mistake.

Similarly, like Vinay has said in the past, people will come to regard things like lockdowns and mask mandates as like blood letting. It’s got some value but not nearly as much as people believed. They will get there at some point and it will probably take less than the 10 years it took for the wars.

It’s important to embrace that and allow people the room to come to that realization. When they do get there, we should embrace them with open arms, literally and figuratively.

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Data Humanist's avatar

Having my own issues with family members and friends on the same. Just trying to give it time, but it's not easy. Have a family member who recently recovered from Covid (after prior 2 vax; 1 booster). He now has robust natural immunity, and the variants on offer -- Omicron and post -- are head colds, not lung infections. So wait for it. He insists on being boosted in about 2 months.

Because? And we now know that the incidents of myocarditis as a vaccine complication seem under-reported, perhaps considerably. So if you do not need a medical treatment or intervention, which carries some real risk -- a probability of which is extremely low perhaps, but the danger if it occurs can be serious to lethal -- why get that medical treatment or intervention?

He thinks he has to keep his antibody levels up because he will be travelling over the summer.

Like Fauci said. Remember our Winter Omicron of Death? I don't either. But that's because many of the people who got infected had high circulating levels of antibodies because of the boosters. Just in case you did not know. So if you keep getting boosted ... No worries here about pathogenic priming, or even having a basic knowledge of how the immune system works.

I'm just hoping he does not have an adverse reaction. People around my age, and he is, do not need any heart-related complications.

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Andrew Heard's avatar

Indeed. It’s hard to break through such a view. People seem to be under the impression that they have a constant level of antibodies in their system for all the diseases they’ve ever come into contact with... except CoVid.

Thankfully, my family seems to be mellowing out on the CoVid issue but I’m not convinced it will stay that way. But the friends aren’t necessarily willing to come back even though I’ve made it very clear that I don’t have any animosity towards anyone who wasn’t happy with me.

I get that people are scared in a way they’ve never been before. It’s understandable even if extremely unfortunate. I know of at least one friend who I will be hopefully meeting at an event in the future that I plan to try and reconnect with if I can. Show them I don’t resent them for it.

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Karen Brennan, PhD's avatar

Andrew, I agree in respect to embracing those that change their mindset, but many never will. I don’t waste my time and energy b/c when I was starting out as a new nutritionist I was giving free advice to everyone. Then I realized, if it wasn’t asked for, it was unwanted. The same applies to 2020 and beyond. It will fall on deaf ears and I rather put my energy elsewhere. Therefore, I typically make my stance- that if they want to ask me anything regarding the 4000 plus hours I’ve invested in this situation so far they can. Instead I get people change the subject, walk away, look at me like I’m crazy, avoid me in future encounters and even tell me I’m the reason people are dying.

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