While I agree that, "Vengeance is not and cannot be the goal of revisiting Covid-19 policy, but accountability should be." it's really hard not to be ANGRY. These people weren't just wrong, they were spectacularly wrong and to add insult to injury they engaged in character assassination and censorship. Their decisions ruined lives and resulted in deaths. Some people knowingly lied and they should be punished, if not by law then by society. There simply can't be forgiveness for a "whoops, I was wrong" stance on these issues. There has to be some measure of justice.
We need to distinguish between the people who misunderstood, made mistakes, and believed the wrong people and the people who lied to us. The problem was never that there was misinformation -- the world is ever thus -- but that we were lied to by people who were in positions of public trust and who abused this power.
Only the pundits got it wrong? The entire health hierarchy is rotten to the core. When Covid first blew in, it should have been obvious to everyone that we needed to investigate medicines already at our disposal. Those with pre-existing medical conditions would have already known which pharmaceuticals not to go near. Instead, we got 'sit on yours hands, while we develop a vaccine. No advice given, except don't go anywhere near a hospital absent the equivalent of a 9-1-1 medical emergency. THIS is the best that our vaunted 'health authorities' had to offer?
How is that careers got canceled for daring to mention these alternative drug treatments? How is it that Facebook cancelled a group of 28,000 for daring to chat online about the vaccine injuries they were experiencing? How is it that google canceled videographers for daring to mention ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, of fluvoxamine - which were already in used widely in the third world, with known toxicity profiles?
Once again, your belated opinion doesn't go far enough, Mr. Prasad. Nuremburg 2.0 wouldn't be good enough for those in the medical hierarchy who perpetrated this fraud. You are late to the game on this, once again. While lives were being lost, other brave souls were taking a more urgent view: they have been speaking truth to power all along, many losing their reputations and careers as a result. A linguistic tiptoe through the tulips? Not this time, buster.
You write as if all this was over. It’s not. And may be just beginning. I haven’t seen much of a change at all yet---at least here in Canada. All recent changes are temporary reprieves and I fear no one, that is, no one in POWER, has “learned” anything. Except that they can get away with a shit ton of BS! Trying to be hopeful though...haha! I do appreciate your forgiving attitude.
Appreciate the sentiment, but also agree with smokegetsinyoureyes - many of us, particularly in one-party blue states - are still dealing with the consequences of bad policies with masks and vaccine mandates. Not all of the insanity has stopped
We need a Truth Commission. Offer people immunity from prosecution if they speak openly about what happened. If they continue to lie and cover up, they can be available for prosecution. A Truth Commission gives incentives for those in the system to come clean.
Come to me when you've had 2 kids lose 2 years of their childhood for nothing. Then let me know how "accountable" you're feeling. Vengeance is wrong and cruel and counterproductive but oh did they earn it.
Ok so a little contrition, by anyone you mention, would go such a long way towards the healing you hope for Visay. Yet not only has there never been any, we got something far worse. You see, since “the science” can be omniscient (and morally/legally binding) at any given moment; yet also constantly change at any moment - how could there accountability for anyone involved In such a system?
Dr. Prasad, the fallout is going to be what it is. So many lives have been destroyed by Covid response, and humans are humans. Those who feel utterly betrayed by their doctors will never find trust in them again, and might never forgive them. We are in completely uncharted territories, and those who continue to lie are digger themselves into a deeper hole every single day.
Please take a look at what's going on in the military.
I do feel like going after some folks, how can they just be given a pass for being wrong when the way they decided to be wrong was to ignore people in the room who were actually bringing them facts and data. They decided to not pay one lick of attention to them. I know several people who were in the room and on committees here in my state, and they said they weren’t given the time of day, couldn’t get a word in edgewise. The politicians just ran away with the thing, and I have been told that the overbearing concern of those people was how they looked-facts and science be damned. So I’m not sure where asking for accountability ends and vengeance begins, but I too am seriously angry.
I agree with VP, attacking people is exactly what was done to those of us who did not buy the narrative, who instead read paper after paper, analyzing their accuracy in design and result. Being bigger than these political hacks means calling for a neutral review commission or voting out some parties but not their heads on a platter. The agency capture that has brought us to adding a second booster without meaningful data must be investigated too. I have little respect for Drs Fauci and Collins but ad hominem attacks are just not productive (although they might feel good). I think those of us on the fringe should be bigger than the Covidians who got it wrong again and again.
Dream on my good doctor. Dream on. Those leaders responsible for failed policy will remain, my guess. The modern style of committee work ensures no individual can be held to account. I do imagine that some will retire now - old soldiers never die....
While I agree that, "Vengeance is not and cannot be the goal of revisiting Covid-19 policy, but accountability should be." it's really hard not to be ANGRY. These people weren't just wrong, they were spectacularly wrong and to add insult to injury they engaged in character assassination and censorship. Their decisions ruined lives and resulted in deaths. Some people knowingly lied and they should be punished, if not by law then by society. There simply can't be forgiveness for a "whoops, I was wrong" stance on these issues. There has to be some measure of justice.
We need to distinguish between the people who misunderstood, made mistakes, and believed the wrong people and the people who lied to us. The problem was never that there was misinformation -- the world is ever thus -- but that we were lied to by people who were in positions of public trust and who abused this power.
Only the pundits got it wrong? The entire health hierarchy is rotten to the core. When Covid first blew in, it should have been obvious to everyone that we needed to investigate medicines already at our disposal. Those with pre-existing medical conditions would have already known which pharmaceuticals not to go near. Instead, we got 'sit on yours hands, while we develop a vaccine. No advice given, except don't go anywhere near a hospital absent the equivalent of a 9-1-1 medical emergency. THIS is the best that our vaunted 'health authorities' had to offer?
How is that careers got canceled for daring to mention these alternative drug treatments? How is it that Facebook cancelled a group of 28,000 for daring to chat online about the vaccine injuries they were experiencing? How is it that google canceled videographers for daring to mention ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, of fluvoxamine - which were already in used widely in the third world, with known toxicity profiles?
Once again, your belated opinion doesn't go far enough, Mr. Prasad. Nuremburg 2.0 wouldn't be good enough for those in the medical hierarchy who perpetrated this fraud. You are late to the game on this, once again. While lives were being lost, other brave souls were taking a more urgent view: they have been speaking truth to power all along, many losing their reputations and careers as a result. A linguistic tiptoe through the tulips? Not this time, buster.
You write as if all this was over. It’s not. And may be just beginning. I haven’t seen much of a change at all yet---at least here in Canada. All recent changes are temporary reprieves and I fear no one, that is, no one in POWER, has “learned” anything. Except that they can get away with a shit ton of BS! Trying to be hopeful though...haha! I do appreciate your forgiving attitude.
Appreciate the sentiment, but also agree with smokegetsinyoureyes - many of us, particularly in one-party blue states - are still dealing with the consequences of bad policies with masks and vaccine mandates. Not all of the insanity has stopped
We need a Truth Commission. Offer people immunity from prosecution if they speak openly about what happened. If they continue to lie and cover up, they can be available for prosecution. A Truth Commission gives incentives for those in the system to come clean.
Come to me when you've had 2 kids lose 2 years of their childhood for nothing. Then let me know how "accountable" you're feeling. Vengeance is wrong and cruel and counterproductive but oh did they earn it.
Ok so a little contrition, by anyone you mention, would go such a long way towards the healing you hope for Visay. Yet not only has there never been any, we got something far worse. You see, since “the science” can be omniscient (and morally/legally binding) at any given moment; yet also constantly change at any moment - how could there accountability for anyone involved In such a system?
Dr. Prasad, the fallout is going to be what it is. So many lives have been destroyed by Covid response, and humans are humans. Those who feel utterly betrayed by their doctors will never find trust in them again, and might never forgive them. We are in completely uncharted territories, and those who continue to lie are digger themselves into a deeper hole every single day.
Please take a look at what's going on in the military.
https://etana.substack.com/p/military-madness?s=w
I do feel like going after some folks, how can they just be given a pass for being wrong when the way they decided to be wrong was to ignore people in the room who were actually bringing them facts and data. They decided to not pay one lick of attention to them. I know several people who were in the room and on committees here in my state, and they said they weren’t given the time of day, couldn’t get a word in edgewise. The politicians just ran away with the thing, and I have been told that the overbearing concern of those people was how they looked-facts and science be damned. So I’m not sure where asking for accountability ends and vengeance begins, but I too am seriously angry.
I agree with VP, attacking people is exactly what was done to those of us who did not buy the narrative, who instead read paper after paper, analyzing their accuracy in design and result. Being bigger than these political hacks means calling for a neutral review commission or voting out some parties but not their heads on a platter. The agency capture that has brought us to adding a second booster without meaningful data must be investigated too. I have little respect for Drs Fauci and Collins but ad hominem attacks are just not productive (although they might feel good). I think those of us on the fringe should be bigger than the Covidians who got it wrong again and again.
no, we require vengeance, just like in Nuremberg, funnily enough where the Nuremberg Code was written
Dream on my good doctor. Dream on. Those leaders responsible for failed policy will remain, my guess. The modern style of committee work ensures no individual can be held to account. I do imagine that some will retire now - old soldiers never die....