Maybe this is a poor way of asking, but how is ur admin tolerating you going against the narrative? I’ve seen docs get dismissed for much less. I’m not disagreeing here, just curious about the question I asked.
I am a critical care physician at a large hospital system in Texas and me and my colleagues routinely give admin grief about policies, sometimes they listen, sometimes they don’t, but nobody has been pushed out or censured over it. We dropped masking about 18 months ago.
The admin the buildings that I visit ignore (and participate in) “chin masking” unless State Surveyors are on the property. Admin says state will penalize the facility thousands of $ for violations so they buckle down when surveyors show up.
I was wondering the same thing as I read this. Vinay is in the UCSF Medical System.
But then again SF and The Bay Area in general is a lost cause IMO...they were the worst during the Scamdemic, fell very hard and have held onto all the C*V*D 💩 the longest!
I found at least here that everyone has fully recognized that universal masking is dumb and something they don’t want to have to defend in court and thus aren’t actually disciplining. The Department of Health MIGHT send a letter back when we had a mandate, but the letter would just remind us that the governor wanted a mandate and they weren’t going to actually do anything. Similar with people I know at hospitals. Actual discipline puts a risk of the disciplined person suing.
At this point it’s a toxic blend of, virtue signaling, catering to the fears of a small subset of their customers and staff, and some ungodly manifestation of politics. But yea, science it is not.
And an easy way of demonstrating political affiliation. I get the impression that one of the reasons why these orgs don't want to run RCTs is that they don't want to actually know the answer.
I think hospital staff, patients, and visitors should wear tinfoil hats because viruses might enter the brain via hair follicles. If you don't have any foil in your arsenal, then a baseball cap or a large brimmed sun hat will suffice.
Masking is back on a hit or miss basis where I work. Any “cases” = at least 10 days of masking. For staff only. Patients? No. Visitors? No. And if staff has minor URI sx, all they have to do is be covid-neg and wear a mask to keep working.
"We might as well open up a Vitamin C infusion center and pray to the sun god."
Sorry, are you saying that Vitamin C infusion doesn't help people? There are a lot of doctors who have used this as treatments for people who are extremely sick, and the science behind it makes sense - vitamin C is needed by the immune system to kill viruses and bacteria and and with the high sugar diets we have, the preferential attachment of glucose to these receptors, the fact that we - as a species - don't make our own vitamin C, it makes sense that if infusion would be a faster way to get vitamin C into our bodies than gut absorption to do Vitamin C infusion.
Why are people so against this treatment? It's like doctors would rather have a patient die than try it.
I live in SW Idaho- high desert. I hate sunscreen with a passion and never use it. I also hate the heat, which SW Idaho summers are HOT. I am outside, no sunscreen, in shorts and t-shirt for a couple of hours every day in the summer and my vit D levels were sub par. Taking 5,000 units put me in the normal range. I am a middle aged white woman.
August of 2020 I got my vit D levels checked and discovered this. I have kept my vit D levels up and I have only had very mild illnesses and apparently no covid.
I also hate masking as I am hard of hearing. From my days as a manufacturing engineer who dealt with clean rooms and vacuum vessels, I knew that masking, cloth masks in particular, was bogus to stop an airborne virus.
It's too bad not more testing of vitamin D is done on a regular basis. It is a slightly more expensive report.
-In Canada for example (approx numbers from a few different studies) (farther North, less sun, less pleasant climate), 70% of people have normal vitamin D levels (lots of vitamin D supplementation in breakfast foods, which may be why, just like Iodine in salt prevented tons of goiter)
-In Canada, the remaining 20% are sub normal, and 10% are actually deficient.
Of course, this affects people with dark skins more.
Canada is THE most indoor country on the planet, worse than Scandinavians and Russia. Also the biggest Facebook user in the world, which rather go together!
The distinction in these vitamin matters is that deficiencies are VERY problematic, but there is strictly no benefit to supplementing if one is healthy/not deficient.
I was tested the first time about 14 years ago, about a year after moving to SW Idaho. I was falling asleep every afternoon, I was constantly tired, etc. My doctor did labs and included the vit D test. I was low and told to take 1,000 units of Vit D and was given a lecture on the dangers of ODing on vit D. Reading about vit D and the relationship to illness and also covid hospitalization. I made it a point to get a lot of sunlight. I got tested and I was higher than I was years earlier, but on the very low side of the medical books normal range. Realizing that it ODing on vit D was harder than advertised, I started taking more. A couple of months later, tested again and I was at a good level and felt much better too. I think that vit D is under rated.
Science based healthcare/medicine relies not a a couple of docs, but on RCTs. People pushing miracle alternative cures are no better than people pushing vx.
The debate about vitamin supplements is dishonest on BOTH sides. What we know for certain is vitamin DEFICIENCIES lead to poorer outcomes, such as colds and flu.
There's no evidence that vitamins have any curative effects, but there's also no justification for vitamin usefulness denialism.
My hospital system stopped masking requirement last spring. Only, none of the managers communicated this to anyone. The only way we found out is it was buried in the weekly corporate email that nobody reads. Our manager admitted she knew about the change and when asked why she didn't tell us she just shrugged her shoulders and walked away.
I know some people who will not get care if masks are required unless/until they think they might actually be dying. Other people know that masks don't work and thus don't trust any medical person/place trying to force them on them. Has anyone looked into how much harm these issues might be causing?
Anecdotal, but I’ve heard of many healthcare places forced to drop masks because nobody would go to them for elective procedures when they had an option that didn’t require masks. Mask mandates seem to be budget killers.
See? The wallet is the only thing that makes these bullies stop. They totally don’t care about anyone’s health. If it were true that masks helped, they’d not stop because no one would do it. Ugh.
Mass General, Brigham and Women's, The Beth Israel- all Harvard teaching hospitals and, dare I mention it again, the UCSF School of Medicine. where the author of this post is a full professor. Can you believe they never relaxed mask requirements there for staff?
All of the institutions listed were very highly respected just a few years ago. But now, not so much. If these places can't figure out whether or not masks significantly reduce coronavirus transmission with the flawless logic and all the data that has been presented- for the umpteenth time just from me, they don't- how can they correctly diagnose anything more complicated than the simplest illnesses? If the admins and doctors at these institutions and virtually every other one are this inept, you have to wonder why people go to the hospital and doctor's offices when they get sick. I recall Dr. Ioannidis's shocking finding that "90% of published medical information is flawed'. I found that hard to believe when I first heard it but I believe it now.
Sure, you had to know a little about the electromagnetic spectrum and the de Broglie wavelength of an electron to fully understand it and explain it completely and correctly but to draw the same conclusion, all you had to do is look at the data. To me, it's shocking to learn how incompetent and illogical the large majority of doctors are. If they are wrong on something as simple as mask use by the community, they are going to miss difficult things such as pulmonary embolism, universally recognized as the most or one of the most difficult conditions to diagnose.
It's a sad commentary on the "experts" again! I've seen firsthand what a joke masking is in hospitals and how harmful it is to the patients. My 90 year old father in law was in a VA hospital where they had a masking requirement. The doctors and staff were loath to remove the masks even when it was obvious that there was no way they could communicate with him with a mask on. They would haphazardly slap a mask on him whenever they took him out of his room, half covering his face and eyes. It was infuriating.
We had to wait untill they left the room so we could remove our masks and talk to him so he could understand what they had said.
Ugh, I had dental patients who would put their mask back on when my dental assistant got up to let me sit down. You know I’m going to work in your mouth in 15 seconds and still conditioned to put your mask back on. In their defense, I also know dentists who made that their policy.
Shit, that sucks. I'm in Yukon, they haven't talked of going back to face diapers yet. I fight tooth and nail against. I have a 2 medical exemptions. People need to stop complying and make the case for a mask exemption, for everyone!
Maybe this is a poor way of asking, but how is ur admin tolerating you going against the narrative? I’ve seen docs get dismissed for much less. I’m not disagreeing here, just curious about the question I asked.
I am a critical care physician at a large hospital system in Texas and me and my colleagues routinely give admin grief about policies, sometimes they listen, sometimes they don’t, but nobody has been pushed out or censured over it. We dropped masking about 18 months ago.
That’s wonderful. I argued often for the benefit of patient care (at the expense of admin) which created a bit of a target on my back.
That’s why you should be glad you’re in Texas and not Massachusetts!
The admin the buildings that I visit ignore (and participate in) “chin masking” unless State Surveyors are on the property. Admin says state will penalize the facility thousands of $ for violations so they buckle down when surveyors show up.
I think the "chin maskers" annoy me even more than the "face maskers", it is so desperately insulting to intelligence!
Just like Joint Commish! I went against them too with “pain is the 5th vital sign” which further brightened my target. 🤣
These lifer bureaucrats have brought us nothing good.
Curious as well. And curious if he wears the mask or just (rightly so, at least) complains about it!
I was wondering the same thing as I read this. Vinay is in the UCSF Medical System.
But then again SF and The Bay Area in general is a lost cause IMO...they were the worst during the Scamdemic, fell very hard and have held onto all the C*V*D 💩 the longest!
I found at least here that everyone has fully recognized that universal masking is dumb and something they don’t want to have to defend in court and thus aren’t actually disciplining. The Department of Health MIGHT send a letter back when we had a mandate, but the letter would just remind us that the governor wanted a mandate and they weren’t going to actually do anything. Similar with people I know at hospitals. Actual discipline puts a risk of the disciplined person suing.
At this point it’s a toxic blend of, virtue signaling, catering to the fears of a small subset of their customers and staff, and some ungodly manifestation of politics. But yea, science it is not.
It’s simply fear porn and virtue signaling.
And an easy way of demonstrating political affiliation. I get the impression that one of the reasons why these orgs don't want to run RCTs is that they don't want to actually know the answer.
Bingo!
I refuse to get “healthcare” from these people. Anyone who pushes or goes along with these mask and mRNA mandates is not rational or trustworthy.
In Canada, that's 90% of healthcare workers. I'd change family docs if I could, but there are not enough family docs in this country.
I think hospital staff, patients, and visitors should wear tinfoil hats because viruses might enter the brain via hair follicles. If you don't have any foil in your arsenal, then a baseball cap or a large brimmed sun hat will suffice.
I wear my tinfoil hat to protect you, not me. I wear my tinfoil hat to show I care!
Of course!
Masking is back on a hit or miss basis where I work. Any “cases” = at least 10 days of masking. For staff only. Patients? No. Visitors? No. And if staff has minor URI sx, all they have to do is be covid-neg and wear a mask to keep working.
Don’t get me started... it’s pure insanity.
What? It’s like you’re working on a totally new planet.
"We might as well open up a Vitamin C infusion center and pray to the sun god."
Sorry, are you saying that Vitamin C infusion doesn't help people? There are a lot of doctors who have used this as treatments for people who are extremely sick, and the science behind it makes sense - vitamin C is needed by the immune system to kill viruses and bacteria and and with the high sugar diets we have, the preferential attachment of glucose to these receptors, the fact that we - as a species - don't make our own vitamin C, it makes sense that if infusion would be a faster way to get vitamin C into our bodies than gut absorption to do Vitamin C infusion.
Why are people so against this treatment? It's like doctors would rather have a patient die than try it.
PS: Maybe we could also have people go outside and get some Vitamin D too....... that also has evidence behind it.
I live in SW Idaho- high desert. I hate sunscreen with a passion and never use it. I also hate the heat, which SW Idaho summers are HOT. I am outside, no sunscreen, in shorts and t-shirt for a couple of hours every day in the summer and my vit D levels were sub par. Taking 5,000 units put me in the normal range. I am a middle aged white woman.
August of 2020 I got my vit D levels checked and discovered this. I have kept my vit D levels up and I have only had very mild illnesses and apparently no covid.
I also hate masking as I am hard of hearing. From my days as a manufacturing engineer who dealt with clean rooms and vacuum vessels, I knew that masking, cloth masks in particular, was bogus to stop an airborne virus.
It's too bad not more testing of vitamin D is done on a regular basis. It is a slightly more expensive report.
-In Canada for example (approx numbers from a few different studies) (farther North, less sun, less pleasant climate), 70% of people have normal vitamin D levels (lots of vitamin D supplementation in breakfast foods, which may be why, just like Iodine in salt prevented tons of goiter)
-In Canada, the remaining 20% are sub normal, and 10% are actually deficient.
Of course, this affects people with dark skins more.
Canada is THE most indoor country on the planet, worse than Scandinavians and Russia. Also the biggest Facebook user in the world, which rather go together!
The distinction in these vitamin matters is that deficiencies are VERY problematic, but there is strictly no benefit to supplementing if one is healthy/not deficient.
It's great that you were able to get tested.
I was tested the first time about 14 years ago, about a year after moving to SW Idaho. I was falling asleep every afternoon, I was constantly tired, etc. My doctor did labs and included the vit D test. I was low and told to take 1,000 units of Vit D and was given a lecture on the dangers of ODing on vit D. Reading about vit D and the relationship to illness and also covid hospitalization. I made it a point to get a lot of sunlight. I got tested and I was higher than I was years earlier, but on the very low side of the medical books normal range. Realizing that it ODing on vit D was harder than advertised, I started taking more. A couple of months later, tested again and I was at a good level and felt much better too. I think that vit D is under rated.
I think it’s fair to ask for RCT to support it though. (I am a big believer in vit C and have seen it work wonders. But would love RCT be done.)
Science based healthcare/medicine relies not a a couple of docs, but on RCTs. People pushing miracle alternative cures are no better than people pushing vx.
Maybe he was half-joking?
Except vitamin C has evidence behind it so.. pretty much everyone makes better, more rational decisions than the medical establishment.
Agreed. A LOT of evidence. I don't understand why doctors are so against it. I *do* understand why Pharma is. Doesn't make them any money.
Medical training is influenced by pharma so.. docs are taught vitamins are worthless.
Yes, they do push this “vitamins are complete BS” and then they put on a mask.
Is everyone else exhausted with all of this yet? I mean, every blessed aspect of one’s life has been invaded by weirdos
Both extremes are wrong.
Vitamins are good for people with vitamin deficiencies, they're pointless for people with good vitamin levels.
Vitamins don't "cure".
Vitamins are good general preventers of ill health.
No RCT for curative value.
Appropriate levels of vitamin C do have preventative value for many issues.
The debate about vitamin supplements is dishonest on BOTH sides. What we know for certain is vitamin DEFICIENCIES lead to poorer outcomes, such as colds and flu.
There's no evidence that vitamins have any curative effects, but there's also no justification for vitamin usefulness denialism.
Here is another stack all about vitamin C
https://open.substack.com/pub/unbekoming/p/vitamin-c
That's not science tho. There are no actual RCTs showing vit-c can cure colds/flu.
My hospital system stopped masking requirement last spring. Only, none of the managers communicated this to anyone. The only way we found out is it was buried in the weekly corporate email that nobody reads. Our manager admitted she knew about the change and when asked why she didn't tell us she just shrugged her shoulders and walked away.
That’s ultimate b.s.. Not surprising behavior from people that are sheep at heart.
The banality of evil
Like wow.
What a bitch.
At least people will improve with the IV C and “praying” to the Sun, NOT so with dirty face diapers.
I know some people who will not get care if masks are required unless/until they think they might actually be dying. Other people know that masks don't work and thus don't trust any medical person/place trying to force them on them. Has anyone looked into how much harm these issues might be causing?
It's not negligible
Anecdotal, but I’ve heard of many healthcare places forced to drop masks because nobody would go to them for elective procedures when they had an option that didn’t require masks. Mask mandates seem to be budget killers.
See? The wallet is the only thing that makes these bullies stop. They totally don’t care about anyone’s health. If it were true that masks helped, they’d not stop because no one would do it. Ugh.
Welcome to the new dark age in 2024. Scientism is a cult like Buddhafield, Manson family, and Heavens Gate: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/how-to-become-a-cult-leader
Dr. Vinay, you are correct. Thank you for speaking out. It will take lawsuits to get them removed. The reason they were removed from airplanes is due to the legal team of HEALTH FREEDOM DEFENSE FUND. Unfortunately, the case did not set precedent. See here: https://networkforphl.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/The-CDC-Mast-Mandate-and-Mootness-1.pdf
Light on Truth in 2024 - Monique (in 4 group employee "mandate" lawsuits (: )
Mass General, Brigham and Women's, The Beth Israel- all Harvard teaching hospitals and, dare I mention it again, the UCSF School of Medicine. where the author of this post is a full professor. Can you believe they never relaxed mask requirements there for staff?
All of the institutions listed were very highly respected just a few years ago. But now, not so much. If these places can't figure out whether or not masks significantly reduce coronavirus transmission with the flawless logic and all the data that has been presented- for the umpteenth time just from me, they don't- how can they correctly diagnose anything more complicated than the simplest illnesses? If the admins and doctors at these institutions and virtually every other one are this inept, you have to wonder why people go to the hospital and doctor's offices when they get sick. I recall Dr. Ioannidis's shocking finding that "90% of published medical information is flawed'. I found that hard to believe when I first heard it but I believe it now.
Sure, you had to know a little about the electromagnetic spectrum and the de Broglie wavelength of an electron to fully understand it and explain it completely and correctly but to draw the same conclusion, all you had to do is look at the data. To me, it's shocking to learn how incompetent and illogical the large majority of doctors are. If they are wrong on something as simple as mask use by the community, they are going to miss difficult things such as pulmonary embolism, universally recognized as the most or one of the most difficult conditions to diagnose.
It's a sad commentary on the "experts" again! I've seen firsthand what a joke masking is in hospitals and how harmful it is to the patients. My 90 year old father in law was in a VA hospital where they had a masking requirement. The doctors and staff were loath to remove the masks even when it was obvious that there was no way they could communicate with him with a mask on. They would haphazardly slap a mask on him whenever they took him out of his room, half covering his face and eyes. It was infuriating.
We had to wait untill they left the room so we could remove our masks and talk to him so he could understand what they had said.
Ugh, I had dental patients who would put their mask back on when my dental assistant got up to let me sit down. You know I’m going to work in your mouth in 15 seconds and still conditioned to put your mask back on. In their defense, I also know dentists who made that their policy.
Not a bad idea in lieu of masking. At least Vitamin C does some good!
The hospitals where I live in Canada went back to masks for everyone back in August. Grr...
Shit, that sucks. I'm in Yukon, they haven't talked of going back to face diapers yet. I fight tooth and nail against. I have a 2 medical exemptions. People need to stop complying and make the case for a mask exemption, for everyone!
Sorry and ouch...I guess I would say at least I'm not living there! and I love Canada!
I know British Columbian hospitals are masking; Alberta is not.