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David AuBuchon's avatar

Fenton, Gato, and others - some of whom you probably blocked - have been all over this from the start. And it's not just "some" studies that do the 14 day exclusion. It's ALMOST LITERALLY ALL OF THEM:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/378831039_The_extent_and_impact_of_vaccine_status_miscategorisation_on_covid-19_vaccine_efficacy_studies

https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/vaccine-efficacy-cheap-trick-by-exclusion

And the handful of studies that don't do that TEND TO SHOW NEGATIVE EFFICTIVENESS IN THE FIRST 2 WEEEKS. And that is even though an acute healthy vaccinee effect is helping to conceal it.

And as you know Vinay, the healthy user bias is another beast and that has been shown 7 or 8 times. You've only discussed one or two of those occasions. It's not just the boosters. The dramatically lower non-covid mortality among the vaccinated has been going on right since the original 2-dose series.

By the way, Fenton has shown that the misclassification bias can make a placebo or even a negatively effective vaccine look exactly like a waning efficacy curve. THAT'S A PROBLEM.

So to recap, before even accounting for the biases, there is a signal of negative efficacy in the first 2 weeks, and an outright statistically significantly negative VE against cases after 5+ months of waning.

So once you account for the misclassification biases AND the healthy user biases, the data is entirely compatible (i.e. can't even exclude) with the hypothesis that vaccines have led to a net increase in covid deaths and all-cause deaths.

Vinay, you are partially awake, and a lot of people are waiting for you to get the rest of the picture. I second the sentiment that once in a while you need to actually read the comments and learn from them and respond.

Edit: Another commenter reminded me that a negative VE in the first two weeks would further cause higher natural immunity in the vaccine group. Vaccines can do no wrong it seems.

Edit: See my other comments explaining why trials do not exclude a possible acute negative VE.

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Jolene's avatar

Fenton has been awesome. I wish Prasad would do an analysis of one of Fenton’s many analyses.

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Tim Hinchliff's avatar

The moment I read the first couple of sentences I thought of professor Fenton Unfortunately Vinay says he doesn't read the comments, so unlikely he'll pick this up.

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this little authoritarian's avatar

Fenton, Yeadon, Nick Hudson Jessica Hockett, Couey etc, all smart, excellent folks with serious data/immunology questions that aren't being addressed by anyone else. The scientific rot goes far deeper than transfection as a 'vaccine'. The whole covid narrative is full of data manipulation, immuno-mythology and what appears to be essentially murder. I don't say that lightly but the evidence is pretty damning (just watch the Scottish Covid Inquiry to make your stomach churn).

Until we start ruthlessly discussing all of it, we'll just be entertaining the same "there was a deadly virus and mistakes were made" narrative that will allow this to be repeated.

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Cov - Id Project's avatar

It's much easier than everything you say. You take a microscope and look at a vaccine. You will understand everything.

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