Fenton, Gato, and others - some of whom you probably blocked - have been all over this from the start. And it's not just "some" studies that do the 14 day exclusion. It's ALMOST LITERALLY ALL OF THEM:
And the handful of studies that don't do that TEND TO SHOW NEGATIVE EFFICTIVENESS IN THE FIRST 2 WEEEKS. And that is even though an acute healthy vaccinee effect is helping to conceal it.
And as you know Vinay, the healthy user bias is another beast and that has been shown 7 or 8 times. You've only discussed one or two of those occasions. It's not just the boosters. The dramatically lower non-covid mortality among the vaccinated has been going on right since the original 2-dose series.
By the way, Fenton has shown that the misclassification bias can make a placebo or even a negatively effective vaccine look exactly like a waning efficacy curve. THAT'S A PROBLEM.
So to recap, before even accounting for the biases, there is a signal of negative efficacy in the first 2 weeks, and an outright statistically significantly negative VE against cases after 5+ months of waning.
So once you account for the misclassification biases AND the healthy user biases, the data is entirely compatible (i.e. can't even exclude) with the hypothesis that vaccines have led to a net increase in covid deaths and all-cause deaths.
Vinay, you are partially awake, and a lot of people are waiting for you to get the rest of the picture. I second the sentiment that once in a while you need to actually read the comments and learn from them and respond.
Edit: Another commenter reminded me that a negative VE in the first two weeks would further cause higher natural immunity in the vaccine group. Vaccines can do no wrong it seems.
Edit: See my other comments explaining why trials do not exclude a possible acute negative VE.
The moment I read the first couple of sentences I thought of professor Fenton Unfortunately Vinay says he doesn't read the comments, so unlikely he'll pick this up.
Fenton, Yeadon, Nick Hudson Jessica Hockett, Couey etc, all smart, excellent folks with serious data/immunology questions that aren't being addressed by anyone else. The scientific rot goes far deeper than transfection as a 'vaccine'. The whole covid narrative is full of data manipulation, immuno-mythology and what appears to be essentially murder. I don't say that lightly but the evidence is pretty damning (just watch the Scottish Covid Inquiry to make your stomach churn).
Until we start ruthlessly discussing all of it, we'll just be entertaining the same "there was a deadly virus and mistakes were made" narrative that will allow this to be repeated.
Please correct me if I am not understanding correctly. So Doshi has shown that the observational studies' findings for Covid vaccine efficacy are seriously flawed, is that right? And this is supported by the fact that most people who got those vaccines ended up getting Covid anyway, even with multiple and updated boosters, correct?
It looks quite straightforward.
So why aren't the science community/medical community/government health officials all saying some version of, "hey! We thought we knew what we were doing, but it turns out we missed something pretty big! We're going to fix that, and we'll make sure it doesn't happen again going forward."
There were quite a few people who lost their jobs temporarily (some even permanently) for refusing the vaccine, even after the CDC admitted that it didn't prevent transmission.
And I know at least 3 people who got the vaccine under duress -- because the alternative was to lose their jobs -- who had new-onset autoimmune issues within a week or two of getting vaccinated.
Leaving government out of it for now, if the science/medical community does not make this right, and very soon, I think they will never regain public trust. Surely they know this?
The medical community and Federal health agencies will never make this right because they are corrupt, incompetent and captured.
They make too much money making things up.
The market (informed people refusing vaccines) and independent scientists are our only hope, and the truth message from the independent scientists doesn't get out unless censorship ends.
Accountability comes along with ‘caring’. Dr Mandy Cohen has absolutely no incentive to be honest or accountable. She wants the image of caring or competent but the evidence shows otherwise. As director of NC PH, she was a fierce proponent of masks & extending closed schools. There were no in person press meetings. Everything was carefully controlled with reporters Qs screened. NC was always the last state to report data to CDC and eventually stopped. She was then PROMOTED to Dir of CDC. She has nothing to lose. She has achieved the pinnacle of PH, has established generational wealth with assured Pharma paid positions for as long as she desires to work. She may look like/act a sweet mom but she’s deceptive through and through.
I've thought about this too. I think a lot of those individuals and institutions parroting The Narrative have made large amounts of money doing so, and they will continue to ride the gravy train as long as they don't offend Big Pharma. Others might be embarrassed to admit they got it wrong; others might live in such an echo chamber that they still believe their stories.
Agreed. Many vaccine critics have been saying this since 2021. However, I will accept newcomers in 2024. Better late than never. Part of the reason is that the more someone is tied to the establishment the less they see and speak truth (because the establishment is corrupt and only cares about more money and power). It is generally not good for their career prospects, and they will have their wine and cheese party pass with all of the fabulous people revoked. The Washington Post and The New York Times will stop quoting them once they get booted from the club. Doshi did put out a good paper in maybe late 2022 that reanalyzed the original Pfizer COVID vaccine trial data and it found a serious adverse incident rate of one in 800. So, he has been better than most of his colleagues for quite a while now.
Congratulations! You’re only 2 years too late. Maybe if you made an effort to read your comments every once and awhile you’d learn something. Instead, you just parroted the “safe and effective” Big Pharma propaganda ad nauseum. Welcome to 2024 Rip VW.
Why are these vaxxes still on the market. We know they are injuring and killing people. I have lost count of the number of people we know with vaxx related heart maladies, heart attacks, atrial fibrillation, aortic valve failure, autoimmune hepatitis, rheumatoid arthritis, sepsis, strokes, transverse myelitis,blood clots and so many, many cancers. Why won’t every doctor admit what they are witnessing and call for a ban of these dangerous injections? I simply do not understand. Here in the UK the spring booster is being given out to the over 75’s and the vulnerable. We now are seeing the next round of covid all over the place! This covid product is ineffective and unsafe. How is it still on the market?
This is one of the many concerns about the claims regarding the CoVid situation. While I was always against the lockdowns and other mandates, I was always open to the possibility that it might actually work. Assuming that the evidence eventually came out.
However, there was a study claiming lockdowns saved 3 million lives. The problem was that the study was a deeply flawed study that didn’t prove anything of the sort. Yet it was widely reported by national and international media that it proved lockdowns work.
By the time the vaccines came along, I was deeply concerned about the evidence claims.
It’s not just the observational studies. It seems the CDC is doing the same thing in regard to week to week vaccine effectiveness. While they designate a separate category of people who are within two weeks of their second dose and thus exclude outcomes in that population, they include them in the number of people vaccinated. This automatically creates artificial effectiveness.
When you map vaccine uptake over time, using their flawed methodology a placebo will offer a VE that nearly matches the effectiveness reported for the primary series. Here’s my analysis:
It also is a great way to hide a bunch of ADVERSE EVENTS!! Like others have already said, Norman Fenton has been writing about this tactic of delay in counting the vaccinated, for at least 2 years.
I think it may be worse than that. My understanding is that a participant in the treated arm is considered unvaccinated until the 36 day window has passed. Therefore, those 123 participants (257-134) in the treated arm who got Covid in the 36 day window are counted in the untreated column. Case rate in the treated arm remains at 0.63% but rises to (257+123)/(21258+123) = 1.77% in the untreated arm.
I can't believe everything I'm reading here. It's as if it were a world apart. I'm not saying it for you. It's hard for me to believe that after 4 years there are people who don't know the truth.
Once we accept that the promoters of Covid and its vaccines approached every aspect without concern of committing fraud everything makes a lot more sense.
It's so annoying to have to hear again and again that the covid vaccines saved millions of lives, coming from people who brag about how they believe in science. Based on what evidence? The deeper you look into this, the more likely it seems that the vaccines didn’t save any lives. It’s even possible the vaccines killed more than they saved. We need to get to the bottom of this. The issue isn’t just about the covid vaccines, this is about the integrity of science and the media. Please stay on this issue!
Vaccines did not save any lives. You only need to look at one of them under the microscope to realize that sooner or later you will be dead from those vaccines. Don't believe me, look at it yourself to know the truth.
Thank you, Vinay, for this analysis. I look forward to future articles taken from points made in this paper. So many flawed, ridiculous, harmful, and unscientific things were done during the COVID debacle. My spidey senses were alerted early in April 2020 thankfully, and I was skeptical of it all from then on. I am thankful daily that I never got the “vaccine”, yet another word whose definition was changed during these times. Keep on doing what you’re doing and hammering these points home, as more and more people are waking up to everything that the government and public health officials did that was in reality the exact opposite of what they should have been doing. The fallout will be felt for decades if not generations.
BTW, Vinay, your attacks on IVM are also a bad take. Depending on Meta analysis, when all the research in that Meta analysis is intentionally disadvantaging the subject drug (wrong dosage, dosage too late, dosage too short), leads to the same wrong conclusions that you drew from the research calling jabs “safe and effective.” In other words, like many former editors of the medical journals concluded years ago, as did your boy John Ioannidis, a huge percentage of published research is simply not dependable. Running a meta analysis on garbage gets you garbage.
Let’s talk about the extra benefit to excluding study participants who haven’t made it to 36 days from the first shot and completed two shots: you ignore a lot of early adverse events, which are easiest to link to the vaccine. Because all that matters is preventing Covid-positive illness … the disservice to our patients is outrageous.
Incredible that he doesn't know the truth after 4 years. Don't you know that the people who were inoculated will not live? Have you looked at a vaccine under a microscope?
If you are saying everyone who got the vaccine will be caused to die due to it—I don’t agree. I think our immune systems are amazing and can manage alot of toxins. Still I would agree many have died and more will due to it
I don't despise the power of our immune system either, as long as what they put in your body is biological. But they haven't put anything biological, but rather a material that is not biodegradable. It is the hardest and most resistant material that exists in nature, manufactured by man. Not even myeloperoxidase can do anything. In fact, we have observed blood from vaccinated people after two years, and we see these structures in their blood.
I am hopeful that the body will eventually eliminate some of this material as long as action is taken, but we don't know how long it will take. Many will think that they will be saved because they will never get a covid vaccine, but they ignore that they will give you the same material if you go to the dentist.
Fenton, Gato, and others - some of whom you probably blocked - have been all over this from the start. And it's not just "some" studies that do the 14 day exclusion. It's ALMOST LITERALLY ALL OF THEM:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/378831039_The_extent_and_impact_of_vaccine_status_miscategorisation_on_covid-19_vaccine_efficacy_studies
https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/vaccine-efficacy-cheap-trick-by-exclusion
And the handful of studies that don't do that TEND TO SHOW NEGATIVE EFFICTIVENESS IN THE FIRST 2 WEEEKS. And that is even though an acute healthy vaccinee effect is helping to conceal it.
And as you know Vinay, the healthy user bias is another beast and that has been shown 7 or 8 times. You've only discussed one or two of those occasions. It's not just the boosters. The dramatically lower non-covid mortality among the vaccinated has been going on right since the original 2-dose series.
By the way, Fenton has shown that the misclassification bias can make a placebo or even a negatively effective vaccine look exactly like a waning efficacy curve. THAT'S A PROBLEM.
So to recap, before even accounting for the biases, there is a signal of negative efficacy in the first 2 weeks, and an outright statistically significantly negative VE against cases after 5+ months of waning.
So once you account for the misclassification biases AND the healthy user biases, the data is entirely compatible (i.e. can't even exclude) with the hypothesis that vaccines have led to a net increase in covid deaths and all-cause deaths.
Vinay, you are partially awake, and a lot of people are waiting for you to get the rest of the picture. I second the sentiment that once in a while you need to actually read the comments and learn from them and respond.
Edit: Another commenter reminded me that a negative VE in the first two weeks would further cause higher natural immunity in the vaccine group. Vaccines can do no wrong it seems.
Edit: See my other comments explaining why trials do not exclude a possible acute negative VE.
Fenton has been awesome. I wish Prasad would do an analysis of one of Fenton’s many analyses.
The moment I read the first couple of sentences I thought of professor Fenton Unfortunately Vinay says he doesn't read the comments, so unlikely he'll pick this up.
Fenton, Yeadon, Nick Hudson Jessica Hockett, Couey etc, all smart, excellent folks with serious data/immunology questions that aren't being addressed by anyone else. The scientific rot goes far deeper than transfection as a 'vaccine'. The whole covid narrative is full of data manipulation, immuno-mythology and what appears to be essentially murder. I don't say that lightly but the evidence is pretty damning (just watch the Scottish Covid Inquiry to make your stomach churn).
Until we start ruthlessly discussing all of it, we'll just be entertaining the same "there was a deadly virus and mistakes were made" narrative that will allow this to be repeated.
💯
Yup
It's much easier than everything you say. You take a microscope and look at a vaccine. You will understand everything.
Please correct me if I am not understanding correctly. So Doshi has shown that the observational studies' findings for Covid vaccine efficacy are seriously flawed, is that right? And this is supported by the fact that most people who got those vaccines ended up getting Covid anyway, even with multiple and updated boosters, correct?
It looks quite straightforward.
So why aren't the science community/medical community/government health officials all saying some version of, "hey! We thought we knew what we were doing, but it turns out we missed something pretty big! We're going to fix that, and we'll make sure it doesn't happen again going forward."
There were quite a few people who lost their jobs temporarily (some even permanently) for refusing the vaccine, even after the CDC admitted that it didn't prevent transmission.
And I know at least 3 people who got the vaccine under duress -- because the alternative was to lose their jobs -- who had new-onset autoimmune issues within a week or two of getting vaccinated.
Leaving government out of it for now, if the science/medical community does not make this right, and very soon, I think they will never regain public trust. Surely they know this?
The medical community and Federal health agencies will never make this right because they are corrupt, incompetent and captured.
They make too much money making things up.
The market (informed people refusing vaccines) and independent scientists are our only hope, and the truth message from the independent scientists doesn't get out unless censorship ends.
Do you still believe in the official world? In the world have they lied to you?
"Surely they know this?" Surely, they do not care.
Why WOULDN'T they care? The more the general public distrusts them, the less influence they have.
Accountability comes along with ‘caring’. Dr Mandy Cohen has absolutely no incentive to be honest or accountable. She wants the image of caring or competent but the evidence shows otherwise. As director of NC PH, she was a fierce proponent of masks & extending closed schools. There were no in person press meetings. Everything was carefully controlled with reporters Qs screened. NC was always the last state to report data to CDC and eventually stopped. She was then PROMOTED to Dir of CDC. She has nothing to lose. She has achieved the pinnacle of PH, has established generational wealth with assured Pharma paid positions for as long as she desires to work. She may look like/act a sweet mom but she’s deceptive through and through.
I've thought about this too. I think a lot of those individuals and institutions parroting The Narrative have made large amounts of money doing so, and they will continue to ride the gravy train as long as they don't offend Big Pharma. Others might be embarrassed to admit they got it wrong; others might live in such an echo chamber that they still believe their stories.
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/bayesian-datacrime-defining-vaccine?utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&publication_id=323914&post_id=46863656&triedRedirect=true
Glad to see this formally published, but I am pretty sure El Gato Malo made a nearly identical point 2+ years ago.
Agreed. Many vaccine critics have been saying this since 2021. However, I will accept newcomers in 2024. Better late than never. Part of the reason is that the more someone is tied to the establishment the less they see and speak truth (because the establishment is corrupt and only cares about more money and power). It is generally not good for their career prospects, and they will have their wine and cheese party pass with all of the fabulous people revoked. The Washington Post and The New York Times will stop quoting them once they get booted from the club. Doshi did put out a good paper in maybe late 2022 that reanalyzed the original Pfizer COVID vaccine trial data and it found a serious adverse incident rate of one in 800. So, he has been better than most of his colleagues for quite a while now.
In this new normal, whoever does not wake up lasts very little.
As well as Norman Fenton!
Yep. IYKYK.
This is old hat, Doshi (and Prasad). Norman Fenton has been all over this for a couple of years now (if not longer)
https://youtu.be/k3gyYqfcfM8?si=WtJQGLsnwPMOgpCi
💯!!!
Congratulations! You’re only 2 years too late. Maybe if you made an effort to read your comments every once and awhile you’d learn something. Instead, you just parroted the “safe and effective” Big Pharma propaganda ad nauseum. Welcome to 2024 Rip VW.
He knew. It's just safe now to talk about it.
Why are these vaxxes still on the market. We know they are injuring and killing people. I have lost count of the number of people we know with vaxx related heart maladies, heart attacks, atrial fibrillation, aortic valve failure, autoimmune hepatitis, rheumatoid arthritis, sepsis, strokes, transverse myelitis,blood clots and so many, many cancers. Why won’t every doctor admit what they are witnessing and call for a ban of these dangerous injections? I simply do not understand. Here in the UK the spring booster is being given out to the over 75’s and the vulnerable. We now are seeing the next round of covid all over the place! This covid product is ineffective and unsafe. How is it still on the market?
Why are vaccines still on the market? Have you looked at one of them under the microscope? Do it and you will know.
This is one of the many concerns about the claims regarding the CoVid situation. While I was always against the lockdowns and other mandates, I was always open to the possibility that it might actually work. Assuming that the evidence eventually came out.
However, there was a study claiming lockdowns saved 3 million lives. The problem was that the study was a deeply flawed study that didn’t prove anything of the sort. Yet it was widely reported by national and international media that it proved lockdowns work.
By the time the vaccines came along, I was deeply concerned about the evidence claims.
It’s not just the observational studies. It seems the CDC is doing the same thing in regard to week to week vaccine effectiveness. While they designate a separate category of people who are within two weeks of their second dose and thus exclude outcomes in that population, they include them in the number of people vaccinated. This automatically creates artificial effectiveness.
When you map vaccine uptake over time, using their flawed methodology a placebo will offer a VE that nearly matches the effectiveness reported for the primary series. Here’s my analysis:
https://madhavasetty.substack.com/p/an-elegant-demonstration-of-how-efficacy
Factor in the healthy user bias and we are left with a shot that did absolutely nothing except cause adverse events.
It also is a great way to hide a bunch of ADVERSE EVENTS!! Like others have already said, Norman Fenton has been writing about this tactic of delay in counting the vaccinated, for at least 2 years.
I think it may be worse than that. My understanding is that a participant in the treated arm is considered unvaccinated until the 36 day window has passed. Therefore, those 123 participants (257-134) in the treated arm who got Covid in the 36 day window are counted in the untreated column. Case rate in the treated arm remains at 0.63% but rises to (257+123)/(21258+123) = 1.77% in the untreated arm.
VE is then 65%!!!
I can't believe everything I'm reading here. It's as if it were a world apart. I'm not saying it for you. It's hard for me to believe that after 4 years there are people who don't know the truth.
Once we accept that the promoters of Covid and its vaccines approached every aspect without concern of committing fraud everything makes a lot more sense.
It's so annoying to have to hear again and again that the covid vaccines saved millions of lives, coming from people who brag about how they believe in science. Based on what evidence? The deeper you look into this, the more likely it seems that the vaccines didn’t save any lives. It’s even possible the vaccines killed more than they saved. We need to get to the bottom of this. The issue isn’t just about the covid vaccines, this is about the integrity of science and the media. Please stay on this issue!
Vaccines did not save any lives. You only need to look at one of them under the microscope to realize that sooner or later you will be dead from those vaccines. Don't believe me, look at it yourself to know the truth.
Norman Fenton and others wrote about that a long time ago
Thank you, Vinay, for this analysis. I look forward to future articles taken from points made in this paper. So many flawed, ridiculous, harmful, and unscientific things were done during the COVID debacle. My spidey senses were alerted early in April 2020 thankfully, and I was skeptical of it all from then on. I am thankful daily that I never got the “vaccine”, yet another word whose definition was changed during these times. Keep on doing what you’re doing and hammering these points home, as more and more people are waking up to everything that the government and public health officials did that was in reality the exact opposite of what they should have been doing. The fallout will be felt for decades if not generations.
BTW, Vinay, your attacks on IVM are also a bad take. Depending on Meta analysis, when all the research in that Meta analysis is intentionally disadvantaging the subject drug (wrong dosage, dosage too late, dosage too short), leads to the same wrong conclusions that you drew from the research calling jabs “safe and effective.” In other words, like many former editors of the medical journals concluded years ago, as did your boy John Ioannidis, a huge percentage of published research is simply not dependable. Running a meta analysis on garbage gets you garbage.
Let’s talk about the extra benefit to excluding study participants who haven’t made it to 36 days from the first shot and completed two shots: you ignore a lot of early adverse events, which are easiest to link to the vaccine. Because all that matters is preventing Covid-positive illness … the disservice to our patients is outrageous.
Incredible that he doesn't know the truth after 4 years. Don't you know that the people who were inoculated will not live? Have you looked at a vaccine under a microscope?
If you are saying everyone who got the vaccine will be caused to die due to it—I don’t agree. I think our immune systems are amazing and can manage alot of toxins. Still I would agree many have died and more will due to it
I don't despise the power of our immune system either, as long as what they put in your body is biological. But they haven't put anything biological, but rather a material that is not biodegradable. It is the hardest and most resistant material that exists in nature, manufactured by man. Not even myeloperoxidase can do anything. In fact, we have observed blood from vaccinated people after two years, and we see these structures in their blood.
I am hopeful that the body will eventually eliminate some of this material as long as action is taken, but we don't know how long it will take. Many will think that they will be saved because they will never get a covid vaccine, but they ignore that they will give you the same material if you go to the dentist.